First off, I would like to thank everybody that responded and to all of those
who wanted to share in my responses, here goes.  I have included all of the
responses, important parts, for your review.  In case anybody has any other
info, please email me your additional comments.

Thanks

Dave Williams
Montgomery Watson

Original Message:

Does anybody have any good experiences with digital field cameras,specifically
for rough, possibly wet, field work tasks.  If so, I am trying to get
information for purchasing a decent digital camera for engineering field work
for the purpose of uploading photos into a GIS database, hyperlinked or
whatever.  I would like to get feedback on praise or dislike for certain models
based on your experience.  If you could include a general price that would be
helpful also.

Cheers

Dave Williams
Montgomery Watson

Responses:

For land use, I would use the Sony Mavica.  It's ease of replacing the floppy
disk is extremely helpful.  I used one on a vacation and I loved it.  They're
not real cheap though.

For wet use, the SEA and Sea camera line and of course Nikonos.  Neither are
digital, but you can get your pics processed directly into digital format.  The
Nikonos is the more reliable and sturdy model.

I haven't heard of any digital camera that has any water-proofing capabilities -
sorry.

Layne Seely
Alan Plummer Associates, Inc.
841 West Mitchell Street
Arlington, TX 76013
817-461-1491
817-860-3339 Fax

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I have found the easiest camera to work with for the price:  Sony Mavica
FD-73.  $500 www.ecost.com

Sony is the only camera (or one of a select few) who use floppy disks as
storage for your pictures.  Makes handling them so easy.

Wet weather?  Well, as with most cameras, you'll have the usual issues.

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I've used the kodak DC240 (and we built a rugged case to
protect it)
Worked like a charm.

To save lots of time look into the kodak fis265
It integrates a GPS with the DC and also comes with an AV
extension to easily bring the data into ArcView. Very easy
to use but I don't think I'd call it "ruggedized"
Hopefully kodak sells protective casing for field work.

Cheers

If your interested I posted a review on our site
http://www.spatialnews.com/newsletter/issue12/demofis265.html

Glenn

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I bought 2 set of the Kodak DC265 coupled with a Garmin GPSIII Plus.
The neath thing is that you can save the GPS coordinates in the JPEG's
header, and then geocode and associate the photo to the point with only
a few clicks. There's a complete kit for ArcView, wich includes an extension
to retrieve the coordinates, create the points and link the photos. I use
MapInfo,
and with a few click, you can accomplish the same results. But its not a
waterproof camera, and digital cameras are usually more delicate than
traditional
cameras. You'll find all the info on the Kodak web site.

Hope this helps you.

Marc Pelosse
Conseiller en g�omatique
Services conseils, Biens immobiliers
Centre d'expertise SGLB-SBI
R�gion du Qu�bec
Travaux publics et Services gouvernementaux Canada
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David -  I will pass this note alone to my marketing group.  We have a
software product that creates GPS referenced photos, video, audio and other
notes at time of capture.  For higher end studies we can add a laser to
provide offset to image as well as compass orientation and azimuth of the
camera imaging direction.

The software also can create HTML pages of maps with your photos, video, and
audio.

As to hardened digital cameras we too are interested and one of us may know
what and where to go.  For video we have put them inside compatible
underwater shells. If you would like to call -
970-493-3952...

http://www.redhensystems.com/vms

Red Hen Systems
Neil

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i saw your message on gislist regarding digital cameras for field work.

i dont know if you can purchase these in america, but the following two
links show digital cameras made by fujifilm which are specifically
designed for the construction industry. they have a specialized casing
to guard against dust and rain. i dont believe you can totally submerge
them in water, but a bit of rain shouldnt hurt them.

these are 1.5Mega Pixels and have 3x zoom lenses. made for outdoor use.

http://www.finepix.com/ds260hd/index.html
http://www.finepix.com/ds230hd/index.html

you may want to check for an english website and ask them if they have
similar. i am sure you could get one somehow if this is want you needed.

a couple of years ago konica was producing a regular 35mm slr tied to a
gps.

it is still listed on their homepage. the cost is described as 220,000
JPY. i am sure there are some options, etc. this is not a digital
camera.

http://www.konica.co.jp/allgoods/camera-0013.html

but it will print the gps location of when the picture was taken on each
frame.

i dont recall seeing a digital camera and gps unit. here in japan. if
you are specifically interested i could keep my eyes open.

there may be some other makers offering strong cases or similar cameras.
i dont know off hand. i have also never used these cameras, but i did
see them at a show.

i realize these pages are in japanese, but you should be able to see the
pictures and follow the links if you are interested.

please let me know if you need additional information.

best regards,

-- reese w. plews
plews consulting
tokyo
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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If you have a palm Pilot you could try out Kodak's Palmpix. It is a small
camara that you connect to the bottom of your palm Pilot. I've had a digital
camera for 3years, and I can tell you this, my next one will be a Kodak. I'm
not sure which model but the ease of use and the clarity of the images is
very high. I would suggest the Kodak DC5000, it is rugged enough to take into
the field and has a 2 megapixel resolution, zoom lens. The body is
weatherproof. Cheers
JIM
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We have had a good experience with Kodak DC290 - a 2.3 mexapixel Camera - good
zoom and clarity and depth of field - very impressive - roughly $1600
Australian.

There is a slighty cheaper version which is rubber armoured/weatherproof
calledthe Kodak DC 5000, 2 MegaPixel - AU$1250

Check out the image processing software that comes with it - the Kodak driver
was slow and difficult to use - but MAGIC pictures - we can ID mozzie larvae in
a bucket of water!

Alistair Hart
Dengue Action Response Team
Queensland Health
Cairns, Australia.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i will address two different issues.

the first is the rugged issue. this was discussed recently in
rec.photo.digital. search for fire on deja, since the request was for a fire
station. there is a camera that has been ruggedized, but i don't remember
what it is. also, there is a new digicam with an underwater kit available as
an option. don't remember the manufacturer, but it was probably olympus or
cannon. it's not a housing, however, just seals up the openings.

the second issue is the gps. if you go to digita.com, and follow the links,
you can find a guy that sells an adaptor that lets you plug your gps unit
into particular models of kodak digicams. it will print the gps info on the
bottom of the picture.

bob rogers
south carolina
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Weather dependency.  Can't help there.  But...

Sony's line with floppy disks are wonderful.  Quick work with unlimited space
(if you have diskettes).  There's also a new camera by another company with a
zip floppy.  It has higher resolution and basically unlimited space with the
zip.

We use the Sony and have had tremendous success.  The appraisal dept has 28k+
images on the system, adding to this daily.

Good luck with the weather.  I'm sure you will get some responses.


Ray Chilcote, LG
Senior GIS Specialist
GIS/Mapping
Lincoln County, NC
(704)736-8538
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Hello,


from my experience you should use a professional system for the purpose
discribed in your request. As a geographer and prof. photographer I would
suggest:


1. Use a SLR system like Nikon D1 which uses interchangeable high quality
zoom or prime lenses. The build in zoom lenses of most digital cameras -
even if resolution of the camera itself etc. is good enough for the
internet - will be disappointing as far as distortion etc. is concerned.
2. The Nikon D1 is widely considered as the only digital camera system
reliable enough for hard day to day press photography. If you plan to use
the camera on a regular basis under rough conditions you should spent the
price for a professional system like the D1.

The D1 body is about 10.000 DEM here in Germany, body only. I suppose that
the price will go down a bit because new systems are released at photokina
fair in Koeln this week. As far as I know some interesting new modells in
the mid price segment are released which could be interesting for you.


With best wishes

Frank Swiaczny

By the way. I'm not affiliated with Nikon or any other brand.
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We have had good luck with the Sony Mavica line.  Prices and specs vary.
Battery life is great and they record onto a floppy for lots and lots of
shots.  No GPS.  We are also using the Lynx Photo Database system for
storing and cataloguing the photos.  I haven't tried to incorporate Arc or
ArcView with that yet.

Steve Whitaker
STEP, Inc
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We have an Olympus Ultura Digital Camera that we use for capturing Photos
in the field. This is in our opinion an excellent camera. We have purchased
some extras: software to download to the computer - I highly reccomend
this!! makes the download faster, extra batteries and battery charger,
extra 16MB memory cards and a Pelican travel case.

The photos are captured in a .jpg format and I convert them using Adobe
Photo Delux Business Edition 1.1 (this came witht the camera if I remember
correctly) to a .tiff format for hotlinking in Arcview.

Hope this information is useful to you.

Shaun McGee                               Phone: (902) 564-3313
Information Technologist                  Fax:     (902) 564-4681
Conestoga-Rovers & Associates
295 George St.
P.O. Box 1234
Sydney, N.S.
Canada
B1P 6J9

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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David--we just bought a digital camera for home use, a Kodak but I
understand Kodak has a model that prints the GPS coors on the photo.  As
for extra memory, cables, etc.  Check the Egghead website-we found
their  accessory items to be the cheapest by far.

Check the Kodak website, that's how we found out about the camera with the
GPS.  Star Lakavage
Star Lakavage
AEgis Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Telephone 865-457-8242
P O Box 160
Clinton, TN   37717
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We use the SONY Maciva cameras for our field work. They cost $600-$800
dollars. No auto upload features. But they are simple to use for the field
techs.

David Koberlein
GSW & Assoc., Inc.


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