Rick Harris wrote: > >I posted a couple of weeks ago regarding mail not being delivered to Yahoo >addresses. I've all but written that off as an Internet black hole. >Messages from my list almost never make it to Yahoo recipients. If I post >to the list, and cc a Yahoo address, then that works fine. Background noise >only, none of this matters today.
Since your original post on this issue, I have looked at my maillog and I see lots of these host e.mx.mail.yahoo.com[216.39.53.1] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 [TS01] Messages from 72.52.113.16 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html type messages (3500 in the last month, but only 46 in the last 5 days). I also get lots of host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com[206.190.53.191] said: 451 Message temporarily deferred - [250] (in reply to end of DATA command) and host c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[216.39.53.3] said: 421 Message temporarily deferred - 4.16.51. Please refer to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html (in reply to end of DATA command) and host c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[68.142.237.182] refused to talk to me: 421 Message temporarily deferred - 4.16.55.1. Please refer to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html The important thing is that in my case at least, every one of these is successfully retried, either immediately via a different MX or after 1 or a few delayed retries. All of these messages were eventually accepted by Yahoo and I have gotten zero complaints of missing mail from Yahoo list members. Perhaps there is some issue with your outbound MTA not retrying these 421 and 451 status returns. >Today my question is about AOL. Since I had the issues with Yahoo, I >created my own email accounts on Yahoo, Gmail and AOL for testing and >monitoring purposes. This week, none of the list postings (4 or 5) arrived >at either my Yahoo or AOL. Yahoo is no surprise, but AOL was a surprise, as >it has been perfect in the past. As I said earlier, this list is small and >has only one other AOL address, who also received no mail this week. So, I >went into test mode. I turned off everyone on the list except my test >account for AOL and sent another message to the list. Came through just >fine. Personalization on or off makes no difference. It works fine. I'm >very confused and open to ideas. If you have only one AOL list member, it shouldn't matter how many other non-AOL members are on the list. Your outbound MTA is going to deliver a message to AOL with a single recipient in either case. AOL shouldn't be able to tell the difference. > It shouldn't be so difficult to get >routine messages through to a list of 25 people. No, it shouldn't, but large ISPs have gotten so many complaints about spam from their users that they are willing to sacrifice legitimate mail in order to keep their users from complaining about spam. I think there is a general problem here in that the typical large ISP or free email service user is not a member of many or any lists. Also, when these relatively clueless users receive spam, they complain to the ISP/mail service, but when they don't get their list mail, they complain to the list manager. So the ISPs/mail services think their users don't want to receive spam and don't care if they don't receive list mail, and they act accordingly. -- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
