Well if we are all going to throw in our hats... www.raoset.com/hosting/ As long as you don't bring my server down I don't put limits on stuff ;)
On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > You can also check out my services at http://www.emwd.com/ > mailman.html. I do > not place any sort of message limits on my mailman clients. > > Kind regards, > Brian Carpenter > -------------------------------------- > EMWD - Executive Officer > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Ivan > Van Laningham > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:39 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman > message limits > > > Hi All-- > I run ten to eleven mailing lists, with, just as you have, 100-500 > members apiece. I have a dedicated server with Godaddy. They told me > that yes, I could run mailing lists. They didn't tell me in advance > that there was a daily limit of 1000 outgoing messages per day. I > discovered that as soon as the first mailing list went into operation > and I had to wait 24 hours for the counter to be reset. > > In order to raise the limit to something reasonable, I had to provide > documentation to Godaddy through some automated tools they have. I > think in the end it amounted to about 20 pages of justification. > It was > definitely a pain, because their base assumption is that mailing lists > are newsletters sent to customers. It follows that if you are a > capitalist with customers, you lust to become an evil spammer, and > only > the fear of legal action and forcible disconnection keeps you from > inundating the net with enlargement ads. > > You have to provide samples of your "newsletters," which is a bit > difficult if you want to provide a modicum of privacy for your > subscribers. > > I made calculations based on the size of the lists and the number of > subscribers and requested my limit be raised to that limit. > Godaddy cut > that request to 1/3, which irritated me a lot, but all the messages > went > through without a hitch. Later, I realized that my calculations were > off because I didn't remember that mailman will batch the > transmissions > so that I had far fewer outgoing emails than I thought. This would be > different if I turned on full personalization, but I don't have any > need > for that. > > All in all, the Godaddy experience has been positive. I lease a far > better machine than the prior one that I owned, and pay far less > than I > did when I colocated my server at a local ISP (you can get > _substantial_ > discounts by paying in full for two to five years in advance: > _ask_). I > get more bandwidth, and the automated tools are, I reluctantly admit, > not bad at all (Plesk; it's worth the monthly fee, just don't > access it > with IE. Use only Firefox). > > The cons are that Godaddy's service when you call to talk to a tech is > not the best. Mostly, it consists of asking, "Did you read the FAQ on > xxx?", stating "There is nothing wrong with our mail system," or > saying, > "I'm sorry, we don't support that software, since we don't force > you to > use it." (This last despite the fact that the software in question is > the only software supplied on the system, and so you are forced to use > it by default. They say you can install whatever you want on your > system.) You'll end up googling a lot. You learn quickly, > however. ;-) > > If you don't have the need for a dedicated server, you could go with a > dedicated virtual server, which is a great deal cheaper, but you don't > get things like three dedicated IP addresses and you have to share the > machine (it looks like your own machine, however, because you're in a > chroot box). > > They also have hosting plans that might include mailing lists, but I > never really considered those. > > Hope this helps. > > Metta, > Ivan > > Sekhar Ramakrishnan wrote: >> >> We are not sure what the reason is for these limits. Is it that the >> SMTP >> servers cannot tell the difference between Mailman mail and other >> mail so >> the places are afraid of spammers giving their servers a bad name? >> Or is > it >> that SMTP takes up so much resource that a limit is necessary? >> >> Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there >> commercial >> places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the >> number of >> messages? >> > > -- > Ivan Van Laningham > God N Locomotive Works > http://www.pauahtun.org/ > http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/ > laningham/laningh > am.html > Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 > Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% > 40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com > > Security Policy: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? > req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% > 40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > japruim%40raoset.com > > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? > req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
