I am very sorry to you folks for not getting back on the problems I
  am having to install on Debian testing. There are two reasons.  One
  is that I have been much offline for personal reasons.  The other is
  that I have another machine called tagol where I have been running
  Mailman3 for about three years, using the Debian packet on Debian
  testing. As testing move to 3.13 this installation could not run.  I
  replaced mailman-core with a 3.12 venv install, but left the
  mailman3-web package of Debian. This half-arsed job held up for a
  long time but two weeks ago collapsed. No email went through. I have been
  trying to switch to a full venv version, still staying with 3.12.

  Tagol hosts a single list

mailman@tagol:~$ mailman lists
1 matching mailing lists found:
[email protected]

  I have some bad queue files. Let's look at the oldest

mailman@tagol:~$ ls -lt /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad/ | tail -1
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman   8579 Mar 11 14:32 
1773239548.2417333+451b61b8707218b4dc3d0864eb4ee0172bd21d71.psv

  Write a script "test_bad" to submit this back.

mailman@tagol:~$ cat test_bad
#!/bin/bash

base=/var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad/1773239548.2417333+451b61b8707218b4dc3d0864eb4ee0172bd21d71
psv=$base.psv
pck=$base.pck

cp $psv $pck
mailman unshunt
mailman@tagol:~$ 

   When I run this script, I get in my log

Mar 15 05:40:46 2026 (2658932) <[email protected]>
runner "in" shunting message for missing list: <object object at 0x7fb1ad1ad730>

  I suspect mailman does not see the database. But

mailman@tagol:~$ mailman info | grep -v credent
GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer)
Python 3.12.9 (main, Feb  5 2025, 01:31:18) [GCC 14.2.0]
config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg
db url: sqlite:////var/lib/mailman3/data/mailman.db
devmode: DISABLED
REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/

  The file exists

mailman@tagol:~$ ls -l /var/lib/mailman3/data/mailman.db
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 4825088 Mar 15 05:20 
/var/lib/mailman3/data/mailman.db

  I have no idea where to look next.

  Thanks and cheers!

-- 
  Written by Thomas Krichel http://openlib.org/home/krichel on his 22199th day.
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