-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/12/12 07:10, Joseph Wang wrote: > I have a few suggestions for improving packaging communications > > * https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Pending_packages > > where I'll keep updated the status of my packaging, and I'll try > to forward notices from the mailing list. Having something on the > wiki makes things a bit more organized. I've changed the links a > bit so to tell people to look on that page first for important > notices. > > * Mageia-mentors mailing list or backup mentors > > It would be good if there was a mageia-mentors mailing list in > which private e-mail to and from the mentors could be cc'ed to so > that all of the mentors would have an overview of what > conversations would happen and there would be a "backup" in case a > mentor goes offline. Alternatively, people could get in a the habit > of having a backup mentor cc'ed that can respond if something comes > up. > > It would also be good to change the instruction page with > something instructions like "if you don't hear back from X in three > days, then do Y" > > What happened with me was that I had been packaging a large number > of packages and coordinating things offline with my mentor. I > mentioned that I was packaging cinnamon and then when I was done > (and it was just a minor project), I mentioned that I was done. I > didn't hear back, but that's happened before, and that's not a > problem. The problem was that when I looked on the dev list for > something unrelated, I found out that the cinnamon packages had > been bounced. That wasn't a problem since they had been bounced for > very good technical reasons, which I've been fixing. > Unfortunately, I was reading the e-mail out of context so it looked > to me like some tiny cabal had bounced all my packages for no > reason at all, and so I went ballistic. The most annoying problem > is that no one mentioned it me that there was a technical issue > with cinnamon. > > Part of the issue is since I'm new, I don't know the people, and so > I can't tell based on limited information if people are being > reasonable or not. Automatically assuming that people are being > reasonable won't work, because you'll find a lot of groups on the > internet in which people aren't reasonable (i.e. there is a reason > why people are dumping Gnome3 for Cinnamon) and people don't have > the time and energy to find out what's going on, and there is a lot > of "pseudo-reasonableness" out there. Working with a lot of > volunteer groups has made me a little paranoid when someone seems > nice. > > For people with a CS bent, a lot of issues that you run into with > coordinating people are the same that you run into in coordinating > CPU/GPU's and doing parallel computing. You can map some of the > issues that I've run into into the "two generals problem".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Generals%27_Problem (It was new to me ;) ) Thanks, Joseph, for your effort to improve things :) As documenter, I'm glad with the wiki page. Also as documenter, I'm wondering whether a mailing list would cause missing or not completely clear or up-to-date packaging pages in our wiki to be made or improved faster. Even if that wouldn't be the case: having packaging questions and answers in the mailing list archive, seems a good thing to me. As a very incidental packaging trainee, I think if there isn't a mailing list and my mentor is, e.g., on holiday without internet connection, it would be best to go to #mageia-mentoring and ask for assistance there. Cheers, marja -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQuyCTAAoJEKWubDMI5nEBDr0H+QH6jZHT0JVLC08Wverskbqd QyZ4dEmoR4FKx8r274cSclcn6ZZfsz8fPRItu/VsqsFz6XmUUCr3vk3XetTO4Wn1 PV2jnNlOpOGmv4S/GV6DMgh82QVFM1a2/e6YbQBd+B26AZspvejd//R7D+oAgRgD my/3GMPr9StslOjPpP8Gts0oWKaPJ4lE5wYPKbpLzGBEC+dfACZIgOV67xtY3bk4 IVtLyWC0P8jJ9cr70ISfLM8eMCJ5aRqHaACgvxELbmQw2OzOM6o53o8OOzA+Dx96 P9CUocVqjblohq5N88cUUWE7AQQ7Ea8/b6A2LkTvbvaA96I8/4ut5AaOZic3/1I= =dEgX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
