on 28/6/03 3:30 PM, Mac Canada at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Subject: Re: Is this list about computers or social commentary?
> From: Catherine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 06:27  AM, Paul Nelson wrote:
> 
>> Only the racists feel it appropriate to mention the origin of the
>> cheapskates, however.
> 
> 
> If you're Indian and work for Primus and feel you've been unfairly
> discriminated against, that's one thing.  Otherwise, not *all* mention
> of someone's race, age, gender, platform of choice is necessarily
> discriminatory.

Ok, I've held off responding to any posts in this OT thread but this one
caught my attention.

There is the question of *relevance* of affiliation when making an comment.

With the whole hype about the little girl that was killed a few months ago
here in Toronto (how many 100K or even millions of $ did they spend on this
case, yet they had only one or two full-time (or was that part time?)
officers on the case of a murder of over FIFTY women in BC... it's quite
telling about how our still judgmental society values its women (I thought
that such primitive behaviours were the purview of our grandparents'
generation)) any comments the police (or any official make) get widely
reported.

When they arrested the person now accused of the murder, they made public
statements along the lines that he was a 30-something male and a *computer
programmer*.

Although computer programmers do not *usually* suffer from bigotry (well,
come to think of it, they do... how many times has someone joked about or
derided the geek or nerd or loser or socially inept computer programmer), I
saw no relevance to this guy killing the little girl and having to report
that he was a computer programmer. Are we to draw the conclusion from the
chief of police's comments that computer programmers are people more capable
of criminal behaviour than non-computer programmers?

In the posts that triggered this OT thread there were comments about a
person's race which were *entirely* irrelevant to the criticism of Primus.
Primus is run by a bunch of gouging thugs (but, then again, so is the much
hated monopoly, Bell), but whether they are of East Indian, Dutch, Scottish
(of course, if they'd've been Dutch or Scottish (or a hybrid like me ;P they
would've been cheap) or Tanzanian extraction is irrelevant and has no
bearing on whether they'd be cheap.

Anyway, this is my first and last post on the topic. If you feel like
responding to *my* post, I implore you to consider switching to Mac2Mac
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
rather than cluttering up Mac Canada further!

PS MacToMac used to be under the LEMlist umbrella until Dan spun it off a
few years ago (too much work for him to keep it going). It's a catchall list
for Mac users (mostly politics, but sometimes science, religion and
linguistics, and once in a blue moon ;), *Macs*... the only rule is 'no
flaming' and please keep personal insult to a dull roar).

Eric.


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