Hello folks, I sent the message quoted below to llvm-dev@ just now, but it applies to the whole community so sending an FYI here. Probably best to follow up w/ discussion on llvm-dev.
The archive link for reference is here: http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2019-November/136880.html On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 11:48 PM Chandler Carruth <chandl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > > *Short version:*I've set up an LLVM Discord server for real time chat > (similar to IRC) and an LLVM Discourse server for forums (similar to email > lists): > https://discord.gg/xS7Z362 > https://llvm.discourse.group/ > > Please join and use these new services. They are only partially set up and > still very new, so don't hesitate to improve them and/or reach out to this > thread with any issues you see or things you want to fix. Also, both > services have dedicated feedback channels. > > Do feel free to use Discourse for technical discussions, although try not > to create duplicate discussions (any more than you would between the lists > and Bugzilla) and make sure the people you're having the discussion with > are fine using Discourse instead of the email list. In case Discourse > doesn't work out, we'll collect and archive everything so it isn't lost. > > > *Longer version & more details:*During this year's Women in Compilers and > Tools meeting, folks expressed very clearly that our communication systems > cause a non-trivial amount of friction for new people trying to find out > about, learn, or contribute to LLVM. Both IRC for chatting and mailing > lists for longer-form discussions are unfamiliar, difficult, and often > intimidating for newcomers. While I have long been a fan and resistant to > change in these areas, the feedback from folks at WiCT was compelling and > important for us as a community to address. Even if it means I have to let > go of my precious IRC. ;] > > We talked to a bunch of people and looked at the options out there and the > most promising ones were Discord for chatting and Discourse for longer-form > discussions. Meike and I have set up both an initial Discord and Discourse > server. You can find them here: > https://discord.gg/xS7Z362 > https://llvm.discourse.group/ > > There is still a lot of work to be done. Notably, it'd be great for folks > to clean up and improve the summaries for each of the groups in Discourse, > and I'll be asking various people to help moderate on both Discourse and > Discord. If you'd like to help out with a specific set of improvements to > these, don't hesitate to reach out to me or Meike and we can get you set > up. Some specific things we're already working on: > > - Getting Discord verified with a nice URL. > - Archives of mailing lists on Discourse so you can search in one > place, etc. > - See the plan here: > > https://llvm.discourse.group/t/mirroring-and-archiving-llvm-mailing-lists-on-discourse/61 > - Moving Discourse to forums.llvm.org. > - Documenting the best way to move to Discourse while preserving a > similarly email-focused workflow. > > > We're just adding these for now, but I'd like people to seriously try > using them. While IRC has served us fairly well, I think it is one of the > bigger barriers to entry. Our email lists are more effective, but also have > had serious infrastructure challenges over the years: a constant flow of > spam, bouncing for several major email providers, etc. Discourse has very > powerful email-based workflows available and I think we should seriously > consider moving to Discourse long-term instead of the email lists. > > I also want to say thanks to all the folks at the WiCT workshop for giving > me and others feedback. I was pretty set in my ways around these kind of > things, but hearing the kinds of challenges this has posed to people less > established in the community was a real eye opener. It takes a lot to speak > up like this, and I really appreciate it. I hope this also helps start to > address these long-standing issues. Also a huge thanks to Tanya for > organizing the WICT workshop and Meike for helping drive this message home > to me and doing a bunch of the work getting these things set up. I wouldn't > have been able to do it without her help, especially around Discord bots. > > -Chandler >
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