Yeah, seems like there's too much heat right now of this to be a useful avenue.

Jim

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Zachary Turner <ztur...@google.com> wrote:
> 
> 4ad5334bfcff803f3765e444785b8f9d3a73c683: Don't pass a null StringRef.  
> simple.
> f7b079263a751fdf3adea8e549803aaf92d465f8: Maybe fix it instead, as the 
> comment suggests? 
> f3647763b02ddef65c6244f91939d997f7733ecd: Probably fine since you don't have 
> control over the code of the plugin.
> f67e0b92fbd9e0bc0267ae5210478c85a44b8afc: Probably fine since you're at the 
> mercy of the system
> 0ac65423e2ba99a42b246d191520ff13bdca5cb0: There's no indication here why the 
> TypeSP might be empty.  Is it bad debug info?  If so it should be easy to 
> construct a test.  If the answer is "I don't know", then this doesn't really 
> fix anything.
> 7043340bc58b0d751fcf66001f62cbf0d9527623: Probably fine, debug info is bad.
> d7019a8d5ccd5dfdb79d74312ef449b734627ec3: Seems easy to write a test for.  
> That said, I would argue that the function should return a reference and the 
> person calling the function ensure that we *do* have a TypeSystem for the 
> specified language.  There are plenty of places where the function is already 
> called with the knowledge that a TypeSystem exists.  In those cases, the 
> function absolutely should assert.  By moving the responsibility up and 
> clearly documenting it, you allow
> 
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 1:23 PM Jim Ingham <jing...@apple.com> wrote:
> Huh, yeah I don't see any of these bugs as making your point.  These are all 
> fixes so I don't see how they argue that we're willfully ignoring anything.  
> To the extent that they deal with asserts they fixes for lldb not remembering 
> that it has to tread carefully to avoid triggering other asserts elsewhere.
> 
> Jim
> 
> > On Sep 12, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Zachary Turner <ztur...@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > (Some of those look like correct fixes btw, since they deal with user input)
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 1:16 PM Zachary Turner <ztur...@google.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 1:04 PM Jim Ingham <jing...@apple.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't see any evidence for lldb suffering from "a huge class of bugs that 
> > we are willfully ignoring..." particularly ones that would be easily caught 
> > if we just had more asserts.  Can you give some examples?
> >
> > Probably all of these, for starters:
> >
> > D:\src\llvm-mono>git log --grep "Don't crash" lldb
> > commit 4ad5334bfcff803f3765e444785b8f9d3a73c683
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Mon Jul 24 16:47:04 2017 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash when hostname is empty. StringRef will assert and kill your 
> > program.
> >
> > commit f7b079263a751fdf3adea8e549803aaf92d465f8
> > Author: Sean Callanan <scalla...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Fri Aug 26 18:12:39 2016 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash when trying to capture persistent variables in a block.
> >
> >     Reports an error instead.  We can fix this later to make persistent 
> > variables
> >     work, but right now we hit an LLVM assertion if we get this wrong.
> >
> >     <rdar://problem/27770298>
> >
> > commit f3647763b02ddef65c6244f91939d997f7733ecd
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Mon May 16 20:07:38 2016 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash when OS plug-in returns None from any of the functions we 
> > might call.
> >
> >     <rdar://problem/24489419>
> >
> > commit f67e0b92fbd9e0bc0267ae5210478c85a44b8afc
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Thu May 12 22:36:47 2016 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash when a process' task port goes bad.
> >
> >     <rdar://problem/26256049>
> >
> > commit 0ac65423e2ba99a42b246d191520ff13bdca5cb0
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Tue Mar 15 21:58:28 2016 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash if the TypeSP is empty.
> >
> > commit 7043340bc58b0d751fcf66001f62cbf0d9527623
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Fri Feb 12 00:07:16 2016 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash if we have a DIE that has a DW_AT_ranges attribute and yet 
> > the SymbolFileDWARF doesn't have a DebugRanges. If this happens print a 
> > nice error message to prompt the user to file a bug and attach the 
> > offending DWARF file so we can get the correct compiler fixed.
> >
> >     <rdar://problem/24458016>
> >
> > commit 0d1591d3b74d518b9edd7482f65976092c14e951
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Wed Oct 28 20:49:34 2015 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash when opening a fuzzed mach-o file that has bad dyld trie 
> > data.
> >
> >     <rdar://problem/21991784>
> >
> > commit d7019a8d5ccd5dfdb79d74312ef449b734627ec3
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Fri Aug 14 23:15:48 2015 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash if we don't have a type system for a language.
> >
> > commit b5838b5a4870ba8f620e7a5733038f02f45b1a78
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Thu Aug 13 23:16:15 2015 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash when we have a .a file that contains an object with a 16 
> > character name. Any calls to std::string::erase must be bounds checked.
> >
> >     <rdar://problem/22260988>
> >
> > commit 4234fd5de6adb471728df83670ebbe0ae3c7ee68
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Tue Aug 11 21:01:32 2015 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash if the file we want to touch doesn't exist.
> >
> > commit b385164c734997af6367271d33dc1c4618bfb754
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Mon Jul 13 22:08:16 2015 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash if we are unable to get the member type.
> >
> >     <rdar://problem/21624447>
> >
> > commit a5deec8dc9a9e7fd977049f6fb5977796906e8ca
> > Author: Sean Callanan <scalla...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Thu May 28 20:06:40 2015 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash if we don't have a process and need
> >     to check for alternate manglings.
> >
> > commit 4427526ffa55675b623702452ff6e13c33c79763
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Fri May 15 22:31:18 2015 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash if we have bad debug info that has a DW_TAG_inheritance 
> > with a bad DW_AT_type reference. Emit an error with instructions to file a 
> > bug.
> >
> >     <rdar://problem/20944860>
> >
> > commit 4506ae8792a5b726133a58d1bc887313bceccd93
> > Author: Greg Clayton <gclay...@apple.com>
> > Date:   Fri May 15 22:20:29 2015 +0000
> >
> >     Don't crash if a function has no name by calling 'strcmp(name, "main")'.
> >
> >     <rdar://problem/20925061>
> >
> 

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