2010/12/31 Thomas Trepl <[email protected]>: > Hi all, > > after reading the (quite large) thread happened middle of this year about > reactivating the LiveCD project, I would like to add some comments and > thoughts about it. > > * For what do I use such a CD > Mainly I used such a CD for rescue purposes but nowadays, missconfiguration > occur quite seldom (thanks the lord) so this kind of usage tents to go to > background. Nowadays, in the virtualization aera, I'm going to use such a CD > to have the initial boot of a VM (on VirtualBox) possible. Thats quite the > same as having a phys. PC with no OS and want to have a LFS on it. > > * What should be included > Must: A fairly uptodate OS with all the tools available to bootstrap a LFS > while being offline. So the sources (including a well selected collection of > required/usefull packages from BLFS) should be on it. > May: Option to go online and start pulling the uptodate version of the book > and sources. Having the (really famous!) jhalfs installed makes stuff quite > easy. > > * What is not needed > While it is nice to have, a graphical environment is not needed, i think. It > consumes a quite large amount of CD space which should better used for a > selection of BLFS source packages. > > * My proposal > An idea I had was to rethink the goal of the LiveCD project at all. All the > main books (LFS, BLFS) are about to show how things are going, they have an > educational goal. In LFS it is to show how to build a fairly usable OS from > scratch. The next step is to expand that by adding things using the BLFS book. > It shows how simple packages (like ed for example) are to be installed but > also how it is done for quite complex stuff like X11 and later KDE(4). They > all shows us <how things are made>. > Couldn't that be the idea of the LiveCD project too? Something like a CDFS > book (CD from scratch). Taking a well done LFS build and add this, remove all > that, tweak there and move things around with the final chapter headlined > "Burn that on CD". We have several hints about creating a CD this way, but > unfortunatly they all are quite outdated. > Later on, the CDFS could be extended, like BLFS extends LFS, by a BCDFS book > which shows all the techniques to squeeze more stuff on an ISO, introducing > such things like unionfs etc. etc. and have an eye on more sophisticate > hardware detection and so on. > > With very very great respect to Alexander Patrakovs work on the CD, i think it > has been gone too far as such a system is at least as complex to maintain as a > full blown desktop. Adding the multi-languange support requires many > developers around the world who are going to maintain and test that all. Even > if I want to, I'm not able to check whether the thai language set is working > proper. > I think nowadays we all can assume that people doing LFS are capable to read > english words and should be able to navigate on a system which "speaks" > English. All the stuff added to the CD hides the real (technical) challage: > Booting from CD - Thats all what a CD in this context is about. > > But, following the idea of (B)CDFS, one who is interested to build such a full > blown LiveCD, the four books (LFS, BLFS, CDFS, BCDFS) should have given enough > howtos and knowledge to do that. > > I would really like to see that the CD project will awake somehow even we have > so much work to do on the BLFS book. > > Just my 0.02€ > > Thomas > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/livecd > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ > Unsubscribe: See the above information page >
I've created the livecd few weeks before. http://yesit.tk/livecd.html -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/livecd FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
