On 10.12.2017 10:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 09:33:25 +0100, Filipe Coelho wrote:
On 10.12.2017 00:21, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 18:00:32 +0100, Filipe Coelho wrote:
But when installing jalv or qtractor for archlinux, because they
depend on suil, expect it to pull gtk2, gtk3, qt4 and qt5.
suil comes with a dedicated version itself and as far as I notice
doesn't require ntk-git or even qt4 and qt5 at the same time, even
not by it's one and only hard dependency lv2, let alone that even
qt4 is an optional dependency. Following the dependency chain ... I
might be mistaken .. even GTK3 seems not to be a hard dependency.
Did I miss something by suil's dependency chain?
You're missing the fact that all of these are optional dependencies.
Nothing in carla is a real build-time dependency.
But obviously, if you want to load gtk2 uis on carla, you need gtk2.
Same goes for qt4, qt5 and gtk3. There is no way around this, you need
the toolkit during build-time in order to support it.
ntk-git (and also fftw3, mxml and zlib) are dependencies of
zynaddsubfx. you can take those out if you don't care about zyn inside
carla.
Please don't get me wrong, sometimes a plugin's GUI could be an
advantage, but it also could be annoying. IMO plugins more often could
be more comfortable, with an UI provided by the host.
I agree there, but most users don't.
In case you did not notice from me and Rui, we Portuguese people like to
support as much stuff as possible :)
There are not any lv2 gtk3 plugin UIs yet, but Carla already supports those.
It supported Qt5 UIs before any other host, because Carla's ui-bridge
makes it easy to support a new UI type - though it needs the UI to work
without instance-access.
Anyway, you were complaining about the many toolkit dependencies, now
you know why.
As long as there are plugins using these toolkits, users will want to
use them, so I end up supporting them in the end.
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