On Wednesday 05 March 2008 20:21, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Now the important, in my opinion, parts:
>
> DESTDIR-based techniques are not as popular as others!
Why you made such conclusion from this poll?
> ...
> The "I rebuild often" and "I use the scripting feature of the PM" checkboxes
> are
> not correlated (-0.06). I find this strange and cannot explain.
IMO 'building' and 'packaging' are different activities. If PM has own
opinion, how to build software X, this is problem as for package maintainers,
as for software developers.
> ...
>
> It is surprising that a lot of users (among both editors and non-editors)
> will
> accept a totally broken package manager that overwrites their customizations
> of
> the configuration files. This indicates that they probably didn't try to
> implement package management themselves (or didn't even package stuff for
> regular distributions) and thus didn't meet the problem. Existence of such
> users
> that can't tell a key property of a good PM will surelly negatively affect
> the
> quality of the resulting pages in LFS.
Not agree: looks like many people consider _all_ existing PMs as 'not suitable'.
Some tasks, that associated with PM in this poll, really refer to other classes
of software---like Sun's BigAdmin (maintaining high-availability services,
configuration management) or Perforce (configuration management).
>From my everyday practice, PM only extra headache, not help:
- produce identical software on a few hosts (with different life cycle
of this hosts);
- produce identical (but, may be a bit different) configuration of software
on a few hosts;
- update software, that underlie under some service (sometimes a lot
of packages) with predictable, controllable results and minimum service
down time; rollback very useful here;
- even package dependency is a problem too: I hate Debian's approach since
upgrading Perl's revision led to upgrade mail subsystem, package management
subsystem, init scripts, database, host configuration, ... Thanks a lot
for this experience!
> I.e., again, we have to learn more about
> package management before attempting to write about it.
>
> --
> Alexander E. Patrakov
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