>>> Labs is a place for experimentation, not a place for developing software
>>> that is intended to be used. Your use case sounds more like software for
>>> use than an experiment.
>>
>> This is what I don't like. Imho Labs should be the place were
>> Committers can collaborate.
>
> It *is* a place where committers can collaborate. What is stopping you
> collaborating with committers?

> What is it that you want labs to give you that it doesn't currently give>

Sorry for my delay, but I had to think a little bit about labs.

I identified the following scenarios. Lets imagine Max and Cheryl are
committers and want to collaborate.

1) Max is committer at the Alpha-Project. Cheryl is committer at the
beta-project.  Cheryl has an idea for the Alpha-Project, but since
Alpha does not allow here access to the SVN she cannot collaborate
with Max. Labs does not allow them to create a lab, b/c the change is
not really experimental but "usable software". They need to go to
github or apache-extras.

2) Max and Cheryl are committing somehow to Apache. They want to do
something completely new. There is no matching project at Apache so
far, so they can go into labs or to apache-extras

3) Max and Cheryl are both committing to Alpha. They have no need of
labs, because they have their projects sandbox to experimental stuff
which fits to their project.

In other terms, labs are useful if two committers are writing code
which is not related to an existing apache product.

What I miss is option 1. Committers want to collaborate somehow but
not all have write access to the products sandbox. I don't see a
reason why they should go to apache-extras instead of using labs.


>> I understood Labs is no codedrop box. But I wish it would be a bit more of
>> that.
>
> What is a "codedrop box"?

Sorry for my term. Its more a place were I can simply drop some code
ideas and leave it there, without caring what happens to them. A bit
like collecting snippets and ideas. Better we ignore my statement here


> Perhaps, in your case, we should be looking at making better use of
> apache-extras.org through the labs PMC (the ComDev PMC looks after it right
> now but we are deliberately hands-off on it).

It seems you are considering apache-extras for my option 1. If yes,
apache-extras is somehow killing labs. Why should one use labs if he
can do everything with apache-extras more easy?

Cheers,
Christian

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