https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=443168
JoostR <li...@joostrekveld.net> changed:
What |Removed |Added
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Summary|Add a setting to not follow |on starting gwenview
|sorting as in Dolphin when |ignores its own settings
|Gwenview started by image |concerning sort order
|click |
--- Comment #24 from JoostR <li...@joostrekveld.net> ---
(In reply to Andrew Shark from comment #21)
> The current title of the bug "gwenview ignores settings in initial sort
> order" confuses people. We are talking about two separate issues here. The
> first is that somebody wants to disable the thing that gwenview follows the
> order in dolphin (even currently partly broken, see Bug 466836). I will
> rename current bug to keep track on this problem, because OP wanted that.
> The second is not related to Dolphin at all, about not applied sorting when
> entering to folder from Home page - Bug 464959
>
> @JoostR
> > for somebody who hardly uses Dolphin (like me) it makes no sense at all
> > that Gwenview settings are somehow overriden by it.
> Generally, users expect Gwenview to follow the sorting order of the place
> from where it was opened (Dolphin).
>
> > Typically I find my most recently edited presentation folder in Dolphin in
> > a 'sorted by date' view, open it in Gwenview and want my images sorted by
> > name as set in the Gwenview settings.
> You said you hardly use Dolphin, but still you use it to open your folder.
> If you do not need Dolphin, why don't you just launch Gwenview from start
> menu? It has a Home page, which also has a Recent folders.
>
> @Scandrof
> > Gwenview following Dolphin's sort order is also causing a lot of problems
> > for me. I often use a bash script to select a random image folder & open
> > the first picture in Gwenview.
> And what is the problem then? You open first image in your random folder and
> it is opened in Gwenview.
>
> > Maybe an option could be added to Gwenview's settings to give users a
> > choice between following Dolphin's sort order or keeping Gwenview
> > independent of Dolphin?
> Yes.
>
> @Freddy Vejen
> > but when I start gwenview and choose a folder containing picture files,
> > gwenview does not sort the files by name, but by date.
> See 464959.
>
> @Robin Bankhead
> > It doesn't make any sense for Gwenview to revert to obeying Dolphin's
> > ordering instead of persisting the ordering chosen in its own UI, across
> > multiple direct launches (i.e. not from within Dolphin).
> > Gwenview should have its own ordering setting, but able to be overridden on
> > invocation (which the onus then is on Dolphin to do). This might be of
> > benefit for other external apps calling Gwenview also.
> As said above, yes there should be an option to not follow dolphin sorting
> when clicked image. Also, it will not be really "following Dolphin", but
> "following .directory file".
>
> @Andrew + @Thomas Capricelli
> > For me the annoying case is very simple and not related with Dolphin at all.
> See 464959.
>
> @Christoph Cullmann + @Thomas Capricelli
> Depending on the way you launch, see one of all mentioned bugs.
>
> @JoostR
> > it should perhaps simply be integrated into Dolphin or be installed as a
> > component of it
> I am not shure. What if you want to open several images and go to another
> folder? What if you want to do some basic things like image rotation?
>
> @Jörg
> > Gwenview should not depend on any setting in a file manager.
> As said above, it is not a Dolphin setting. It is a setting from .directory
> file.
(In reply to Andrew Shark from comment #23)
> @Robin Bankhead This is not a forum. It becomes hard to read the bug
> history. For long discussions I suggest to go to the forum.
> > which had nothing to do with obeying (or not) .directory files. The latter
> > is a separate issue introduced by you
> I clarified two separate things that people were meaning here, please read
> comment #21 carefully.
>
> My proposal is the following:
> With a dedicated "as in dolphin" sort entry (when 466836 will be done), and
> if user enabled "keep dolphin order when opening" (when the current 443168
> will be done), the sorting will switch to it, and in UI it will be selected.
> If user disabled "keep dolphin order when opening", then Gwenview will keep
> its original sorting mode. At any time you can select any mode manually, if
> you prefer disabled "keep dolphin order when opening".
> So what exactly are you arguing about? If I did not clarified that, please
> open a forum post and link here.
Dear Andrew,
I am not the expert on bug filing etiquette, but I think in general a bug
report should just report the bug and not suggest a detailed solution.
You are assuming that people want a link between Dolpin and Gwenview: I
personally don't see the value of such a link, I even think it will be
inherently confusing for any users that don't or rarely use Dolphin, but I
think my bug report left that open. Such an extra setting to follow Dolphin
could be a solution, but as somebody who doesn't see the value of a link
between Dolphin and Gwenview I personally would find that it just adds clutter
to a great app. Some people use other file managers than Dolphin, and these
kinds of links between apps confuse the principle of making simple apps that
are good at one thing.
As far as I am concerned the bug I reported is that gwenview does not adhere to
its own settings when you open it directly, which is really bad.
Also I really don't want to make this personal in any way, but it seems to me
you are the first person in this thread who was confused by that original
title, probably because you were looking for a solution for your issue, which
is slightly different ? So perhaps you should perhaps file a bug report for
your issue, or I believe you are citing a bug report of your issue that already
exists, I didn't check.
So if you don't mind, I am changing the title back to a slighly modified
version of the original: 'on starting gwenview ignores its own settings
concerning sort order'
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