https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=447688

Waqar Ahmed <waqar....@gmail.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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         Resolution|---                         |NOT A BUG
             Status|REPORTED                    |RESOLVED

--- Comment #3 from Waqar Ahmed <waqar....@gmail.com> ---
> This is the core problem that need to be fixed.

Sure.

> Plus the shortcuts, the user is forced to remember some random extra 
> commands, seems to be disappointing.

Note that kate is an advanced text editor that comes attached with a learning
curve. The user is expected to learn things, explore the docs and UI because
there is no way in the world we can make all actions super obvious and easy and
demolish the learning curve.

> Not everyone can code :( and even if the user can it's time consuming.

Scripting was just an example, doesn't mean you need to do it.

We introduced the command bar because it is hard to put everything in menus or
immediately accessible buttons. There is only so much space and we have users
for whom the menus are already overflowing. Explore Kate bugs and you will see
bugs about menu too large.

> Why can't Kate have lines and text operations grouped in submenu ?

It can, sure, but 
a) we need to know what those operations are 
b) whether such grouping would make sense for average user

---

The reason I closed this bug is because it is not a bug. It seems more like a
support issue. Yes, we need to improve but generic high level reports like
"menus are bad" or "things are not discoverable" are not very useful. As
developers, we look for clear actionable items and usually limit one bug to one
request / problem to help us manage things and maintain a record of what
happened and why. Hence, I am closing it again. If you have some concrete ideas
about improvement that is super welcome. Feel free to open a bug or feature
request for every improvement you have in mind. We are already tracking a lot
of things in https://invent.kde.org/utilities/kate/-/issues/20. You can also
bring your ideas there.

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