https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375951

--- Comment #38 from Kai Krakow <k...@kaishome.de> ---
(In reply to Adam from comment #34)
> I would love to see LIM. Having the two bars is a waste of space imo.
> 
> I tried with the menu button before, but then you don't see which menus are
> available, and there is the additional click, after which you have to find
> the menu you are looking for, and move the mouse.
> 
> It would be a bit faster with the hiding menu in the title bar. But still,
> there would be the problem of not seeing everything from the start,
> discoverability, and having to hover the title bar before being able to move
> to the right menu.
> Therefore I would prefer to have menu and title side by side. If there is
> little space, it could degenerate to a hamburger or traditional 2 line setup.

Do we really need a title at all? Most multi-document apps today are tabbed
anyways, so we have the document title in the tab bar. And it's pretty clear
which application is which by just looking at it's appearance. Why duplicate
the title in the decoration when we already have it in the task bar?

I already made my decoration "title" bar as small as possible because I'm
rarely interested in what the title is - and I can already drag most windows by
dragging from some blank space in the window.

I'm not even sure if classical menu items should be in a title bar at all: It's
not too easy to point at them unless the window is maximized (because then the
mouse pointer would stop at the top of the screen). So menu bars should be at
the top of the screen and change when I switch the window. I'm seeing the
"title" bar to be more useful for items like some often used functions of the
application (the core function if you want so). And by eliminating the menu
from it completely, there'd also be space for a document title.

But yes, if menu items right within the window should be the way to go, I'd
rather see the expanded list of items across the decoration instead of a title,
and instead of hiding away possibly important menu items in a hamburger menu. I
consider the application title or document title the least important thing to
have in the decoration, as usually that's duplicated to the task bar and tab
bars anyways. But that's probably not true for all applications.

The current miniature hamburger menu is just a pita to use - did you ever try
to click it without precise targeting the mouse pointer at it? A temporary
solution could be to make the hamburger icon just a real button that says
"Menu" or "Application Name".

PS: I almost stopped using menu bars. Either using keyboard shortcuts or avoid
using such applications. However, that's not always possible. And for some
reason most GTK apps ignore it anyways and show a menu bar - if at least that
would be colored like the decorations... May I still dream? ;-)

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