harve and Bill what's up: the file which be can use to make openbook 3.x work with either versions of acces 32 from wineyes and jfw, can be retreaved from the arkenstone ftp sight at: ftp://ftp.arkenstone.org/pub/techinfo/ssil/dec32.exe Extract the file to a folder like dec32stuff and and copy dec32.dll and dserver.exe to openbook directory and under the windows directory locate a file called tts_ctrl.ini. IN here you will modify the line that says driver=your synthesizer where that would be what ever you have there You will add a remark to comment the line. So at the beginning of that statement, type rem and space. press the end key to go to the end of the line, and enter key to create a new line. and replace it with the new line: Driver=dec32 save this file and before you start attempt to copy the default.ini file to the openbook setings sub folder. This will replace the old one. If you want to retain the file that is there rename it ot something else with the ini extension. This should basically get dectalk access32 from HJ to work with Ob version 3.0 and 3.5. There are some problems with this synthesizer and openbook in that you are not able to quickly rush through the menus with speech because the sounds in your system and speech output seem to make your system crash. Arkenstone recommends to get rid of the menu pop up and menu commands sound skemes in your sounds dialog found within the control pannel. if you have one of those new sound cards with multy channels, (like the turtle beech sound card or the creative lab's live card), this is not a problem. if you need any further detailed help, write back to me. Carlos Original Message----- From: bill cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 6:14 AM Subject: Re: Which internal synthesizer work well with Jfw? -Reply-Reply >harv since our discussion i heard privately from list members, real crazy >members that actually tried it, and said that if jfw is running the other >program can use it, for open book that may work out o k, not sure how good of a >solution it is for >a second screen reader. >harv try putting jfw to sleep and see if that makes it go more smoothly, then >report back to list because we all want to know. > >bill cameron > > >At 08:42 PM 1/27/99 -0800, you wrote: >>Bill, >>I just installed Open Book 3.5 on this computer, and I'm using it with >>Dectalk Access 32 from H-J. The problem I ran into was that I couldn't use >>Dectalk access as my default synth and use it with Open Book, too, for some >>reason. Now, I'm not saying this can't be done; I'm just saying it doesn't >>work for me. When I try to do so, I get an error message when jaws starts >>to run that tells me that the Dectalk driver can't load. >>I'm not one to bad mouth Henter-Joyce, but I would advise anybody not to buy >>the H-J version of Dectalk access. In the first place, Eloquence seems to >>be a perfectly acceptable synth to me, and I think I would have done better >>to have bought a version of Access 32 that would have worked with anything I >>wanted to run it with and not give me problems. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: bill cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:13 PM >>Subject: Re: Which internal synthesizer work well with Jfw? -Reply-Reply >> >> >>>sean i do not own window eyes, i do refer to it often enough, mainly >>because i >>>live in indiana, where it is maid and pushed by rehab, so i have many >>friends >>>that do. >>>i was told that the interface is differant, in addition to how it uses the >>>key, while i know of no body trying window eyes, i have heard that jfw >>>access 32 does not work with open book. >>>though i never personally tried it, and its possible that it may be maid to >>>work. >>> >>> >>>bill >>> >>> >>> >>>At 01:42 PM 1/27/99 +1100, you wrote: >>>>Hi Bill. >>>> >> >>>>If you have purchased Dectalk Access 32 from HJ and you are using both >>>>JFW and Window-eyes. Then the Dectalk Access 32 software should work >>>>in both screen readers because the DECTalk Access 32 software should >>>>search for the JFW authorisation key. >>>> >>>>If anyone on the list does have this combination, how about trying it >>>>and letting us all know. >>>> >>>>Cheers >>>>Sean. >>>>>>> bill cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 25/January/1999 11:36am >>> >>>>derrick are you sure that this will work, i was under the impression >>>>that what >>>>you are saying is true, but, and the but is a big one. >>>> >>>>if the jfw key is still present wimdow eyes should be able to use >>>>the access >>>>32 that hj is selling in theory, but, to do so modifications to window >>>>eyes >>>>need to be maid to use it. >>>> >>>>or modifications to open book ect ect ect. >>>> >>>>so basicly what you say and what hj says are accurate, only in >>>>reality why >>>>would window eyes want to go to that hassle when they support the >>>>regular >>>>standard. >>>> >>>>so derrick if you have gotten this to work please let me know. >>>> >>>>comments from g w micro on a taped magazine seem to indicate that >>>>window eyes >>>>will not work with access 32 from hj. >>>>any clarification is helpful. >>>>thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At 04:14 PM 1/23/99 -0800, you wrote: >>>>>That is not exactly the case. There are two versions of Access32- the >>>>>stand alone version and the proprietary version that is tied to a >>>>>particular screen reader like JFW. Both are capable of working with >>>>any >>>>>screen reader that supports soft synths. >>>>> >>>>>The stand alone version has its own authorization key and is able to >>>>run >>>>>independently of whatever screen reader you may use. >>>>> >>>>>The proprietary version does not have its own key. Instead it uses >>>>the >>>>>screen reader's key to tell it to run. This means that if you want >>>>to >>>>>use the proprietary version with another screen reader, you need to >>>>>leave the authorization key of the original reader on the hard drive >>>>in >>>>>order to have the proprietary version of access32 work with the new >>>>>reader. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Derek Isobe >>>>>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or >>>>>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>Web Page: http://home.istar.ca/~disobe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Cathy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello: >>>>>> I just want to make sure I understand right. You can not buy the >>>>soft ware >>>>>> Dec-talk 32 from any body else except HJ, because it won't work if >>>>jfw, is >>>>>> that right. I was thinking about buying it from Ann Morris in a >>>>couple of >>>>>> months, you see she has it cheaper that HJ, and I was told not to >>>>buy it >>>>>> from HJ because then it won't work with any other screen reader >>>>except jfw. >>>>>> I am not trying to put HJ down, but if this is true, it really >>>>isn't fare to >>>>>> us, to have to just buy there product, if we can get the same thing >>>>from so >>>>>> other place but cheaper, with the same assurance of usage as what >>>>they >>>>>> offer. Also it should not be limited to just being used with jfw. >>>>You see, >>>>>> I didn't have choice about what screen reader I got, because it >>>>was bought >>>>>> for be by the state, and you take what they feel like you can use. >>>>No, I am >>>>>> not putting down jfw, I love it, and I don't think I would change >>>>even if I >>>>>> could. >>>>>> Cathy and guide dog Tilly, Black Lab: >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Carol Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 1:01 PM >>>>>> Subject: RE: Which internal synthesizer work well with Jfw? -Reply >>>>>> >>>>>> >Hi Bill, >>>>>> > >>>>>> >You're probably right, that some of the problems are video >>>>related. The >>>>>> >laptop is particularly slow and I did see an explanation of this >>>>on the >>>>>> >List a month or two back - can anyone remind me why video cards >>>>are so slow >>>>>> >on laptops - but on my desktop the cards are OK but Dectalk >>>>Express is so >>>>>> >much better. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >-- >>>>>> >Carol >>>>>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >At 01:47 23/01/99 -0500, bill cameron wrote: >>>>>> >>carol i am not takeing any shots at you, you are right, that is >>>>why i >>>>>> would >>>>>> >>buy the double talk, hardware is better under 300 mhz. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>with that said be aware that while you have problems can you be >>>>sure it >>>>>> is >>>>>> >>not video related? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>with respect to stability? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>those s t b cards seem to have more driver trouble than other >>>>brands, and >>>>>> >not >>>>>> >>just for blind users either. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>their is a reason compaque and hp pick matrox, good drivers. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>if you lived on this side of the ocean i would give you a video >>>>card. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>nobody deserves the trouble you had. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>bill cameron >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>At 12:00 AM 1/23/99 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>Hi Bill, >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>Thanks for your input on synths. However, by my experience, I >>>>am not >>>>>> >>>convinced that this is the case for all of us. (I'm still using >>>>a 133 >>>>>> >>>Pentium with a video card which is just passable, remember.) >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>Although good improvements have been made to Keynote and it is >>>>now >>>>>> >>>relatively stable for many, it seems to depend upon one's >>>>computer and >>>>>> >>>configuration just how stable it is. It is still prone to cut >>>>out on our >>>>>> >>>laptop when a lot of processing has to be done and, before I get >>>>shot >>>>>> down >>>>>> >>>in flames again for this message, let me add that of course it >>>>may be due >>>>>> >>>to laptop settings that I personally have been unable to resolve >>>>and not >>>>>> >>>the direct fault of the Keynote synth itself. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>However, whatever the reason, for me the software synths are >>>>still not as >>>>>> >>>sbable as I would like to see them. Well, once HJ has done >>>>something >>>>>> with >>>>>> >>>the CTRL-ALT-DEL combination I shall probably feel a little >>>>better - more >>>>>> >>>in control of the crashes - but that's it for now. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>-- >>>>>> >>>Carol Pearson >>>>>> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>At 15:30 22/01/99 -0500, bill cameron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>carol as a user of 2 software synths, keynote and dec talk >>>>access 32, i >>>>>> >can >>>>>> >>>>tell you that if i was buying a hardward synth, it would be >>>>external and >>>>>> >>>cheap, >>>>>> >>>>like the spirit from artic that cost 300 dollars but it >>>>emulates an >>>>>> accent >>>>>> >>> so >>>>>> >>>>it shall work down the road in n t. >>>>>> >>>>software speech provides great quality voice while the cheaper >>>>synth >>>>>> >>>provides >>>>>> >>>>access in all enviroments. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>if i had to buy internal i would also combine double talk with >>>>access >>>>>> 32. >>>>>> >>>>the only reason for buying internal is if i did not have a irq >>>>available >>>>>> >>>in the >>>>>> >>>>system. >>>>>> >>>>reason for combineing access 32 with double talk is that access >>>>32 >>>>>> shall >>>>>> >>>work >>>>>> >>>>in windows n t as well. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>now if i where poor, i would go software only and with out a >>>>doubt the >>>>>> >>>synth i >>>>>> >>>>bought would be the keynote software synth, also called >>>>multmedia. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>by the way it is extremely stable in every respect, and for >>>>the last >>>>>> >>>month it >>>>>> >>>>is all i am using. >>>>>> >>>>reason being i pulled my hardware synth out of old system to >>>>install in >>>>>> new >>>>>> >>>>system. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>no problems, since they released their second version or >>>>upgrade, really >>>>>> >was >>>>>> >>>>bug patches about 6 months back. >>>>>> >>>>also if the user uses a dos screen reader that supports the >>>>keynote soft >>>>>> >>>synth >>>>>> >>>>then dos box access is still possible. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>so keynote is the best software synth that i have used in the >>>>win 9 x >>>>>> >>>>enviroment, of course their are many i have not used >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>one other thing, if keynote does run into a problem its a good >>>>thang jfw >>>>>> >>>>provides a back up software synth. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>the only down side to the keynote is that it does not work in >>>>win n t. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>bill >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>At 01:09 PM 1/22/99 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>Hi there, >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Well, I don't like the idea of internal software synths only. >>>>I think >>>>>> >>>>>there's rather more work to be done before I'd be entirely >>>>happy >>>>>> >without my >>>>>> >>>>>Dectalk Express. Even the best of the software synths are not >>>>so >>>>>> stable >>>>>> >>>>>(certainly with 95) and I still like nipping to DOS now and >>>>again. I >>>>>> >guess >>>>>> >>>>>if I move to NT that won't be an option anyway. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>I guess what I really want to say is that I still feel we >>>>should be >>>>>> >>>>>encouraging HJ and makers of synthersizers to continue to make >>>>>> >improvements >>>>>> >>>>>here as the software synths are just not totally up to it yet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>> >>>>>Carol Pearson >>>>>> >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>At 11:00 22/01/99 +1100, Sean Murphy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I will answer your two questions in the quoted message below. >>>> My >>>>>> >>>>>>comments are preceded by SM:. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Tim Culhane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 21/January/1999 >>>>10:40pm >>> >>>>>> >>>>>>What is the reason for this? >>>>>> >>>>>>SM: If you mean why internal synths will have a short life >>>>spand in >>>>>> >>>>>>computerrs, the answer is very simple. NT at this point of >>>>time does >>>>>> >>>>>>not have any ssill drivers. Until Arkenstone brings out NT >>>>drivers, >>>>>> >>>>>>you wil not get your Internal synths to work. Yes, you could >>>>sya that >>>>>> >>>>>>JFW or any other screen reader should develop their own >>>>drivers. But >>>>>> >>>>>>they will not do so because new computers will not have any >>>>ISA slots >>>>>> >>>>>>in them. ISA slots are being phased out. Also software >>>>synthesizers >>>>>> >>>>>>are becoming more common and cost less. Using Australian >>>>prices, the >>>>>> >>>>>>cost of a Dectalk PC or Express is around the $1500 and the >>>>Dectalk >>>>>> >>>>>>Access 32 is about $400 and if you buy a cheap sound card, >>>>you are >>>>>> >>>>>>looking about $100. A total of $500, which means I save >>>>$1000. In >>>>>> >>>>>>other words, the main stream market is seeing the advantages >>>>of >>>>>> >>>>>>software speech and this will completely change the way that >>>>synths >>>>>> >>>>>>are sold. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Will there be an alternative? >>>>>> >>>>>>SM: Software synths are the replacement. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards >>>>>> >>>>>>Sean. >>>>>> >>>>>>- >>>>>> >>>>>>Visit the jfw ml web page: >>>>http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>- >>>>>> >>>>>Visit the jfw ml web page: >>>>http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>- >>>>>> >>>>Visit the jfw ml web page: >>>>http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>- >>>>>> >>>Visit the jfw ml web page: >>>>http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>- >>>>>> >>Visit the jfw ml web page: >>>>http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >- >>>>>> >Visit the jfw ml web page: >>>>http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> Visit the jfw ml web page: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>- >>>>>Visit the jfw ml web page: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw >>>> >>>> >>>>- >>>>Visit the jfw ml web page: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw >>>> >>>>- >>>>Visit the jfw ml web page: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw >>> >>> >>>- >>>Visit the jfw ml web page: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw >>> >> >>- >>Visit the jfw ml web page: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw > > >- >Visit the jfw ml web page: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw > - Visit the jfw ml web page: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw
