Brian,

I'm a little confused by the last post. Are you asking how one uses menu bars and/or ribbons without a keyboard shortcut? For menu bars at least, it was easy. You press the alt key, and JAWS says
menu bar. File
Pressing the right arrow yields things like
edit
view
insert
format
options
tools
help

If you right arrow enough times, the loop starts again with file.

(Menu taken from Thunderbird)
Pressing the down arrow opens the selected menu--file for instance, and down arrowing through the options causes JAWS to announce the selected one. "New, open, save as, etc."

Ribbons perplex me, because JAWS is happily reading the "tabs" but if I right arrow one too many times, I feel like I just stepped off a curb. In me, it creates a feeling that I'm walking across a balance beam and suddenly fall off.

Brad

On 12/31/2015 10:20 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I've never understood the appeal of the ribbon system and it's a mystery to me why it was ever introduced. When Office 2007 came out it was as much a tectonic shift for me as when Windows 8 came out and virtually everything familiar about Windows disappeared with it.

I find you comment interesting in that most of my blind clients use keyboard shortcuts, at least to bring up a menu (or enter a ribbon). I actually try to teach the keyboard shortcut "chains", e.g., Alt+F followed by S for save or Alt+F followed by A for save as (and some chains can get much longer), since for most "point and click" usage of a menu is a non-starter. I teach these as well in reference to the ribbons, e.g., Alt+H followed by 1, to toggle bold formatting, for things that a client uses really frequently and that they need to be able to activate/deactivate with maximum speed. I'm trying to imagine how you go about, or went about (since full menus are long gone), accessing the menu system where keyboard shortcuts would not be "step one" at least.

Brian



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