Mailing lists are good for problem resolution but are difficult to use
for discussions that take place over time.
The polling methods in lists are really unsatisfactory.
Jetspeed is a project that has had a great deal of difficulty in
building a community and I hope that this helps find all of the people
that have an interest in Jetspeed and get a bit of community involvement.
LinkedIn is a pretty popular and free spot for business-oriented people
to meet.
I think that you will find that many Apache projects have an active
LinkedIn group (Maven, Cloudstack, Wicket, JMeter. Mahoot, etc.)
I share your concern for the "Official Record" status of the developer
list but I am not sure if this matters a lot on the user list side.
I hope that the LinkedIn list will encourage discussions about how
Jetspeed is being used and what is needed to make it more competitive
with alternatives.
This is hard to do in a mailing list since the individual transactions
are transient and it is hard to follow a discussion that takes place
over many days or weeks.
On LinkedIn each discussion thread is available while you are adding
your comment so people can join in late and quickly read the previous
comments,
You can also "like" comments that others have posted and that becomes
part of the permanent record.
It is also easy to check out the person making the comment which can be
helpful in understanding their contribution or point of view.
I hope that the project committers will become more active in promoting
the project and actively work at communicating with the community
through discussions and polls on LinkedIn.
I hope that the use community will become more active by discussing
success stories, use cases and sharing ideas for shared portlets.
Ron
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On 17/01/2014 6:40 AM, Ate Douma wrote:
On 01/17/2014 06:38 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
I have created a poll in the Jetspeed Portal group on LinkedIn to
confirm the
acceptability of the Jetspeed Roadmap.
Please visit http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Jetspeed-Portal-3347198
and let
David know whether you support the roadmap or have some topics that
you want
considered.
If you do not vote for the Roadmap, please add a comment to the Roadmap
discussion at
http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Jetspeed-Road-Map-2014-3347198.S.5828949445881905155
describing your concerns.
<ASF member hat on>
While I think it is great to see the roadmap being discussed, I
*strongly* disagree with this happening outside the Jetspeed mailing
list(s).
I don't think there is anything wrong with the LinkedIn group, but it
shouldn't replace the community participation here.
An important 'rule' at Apache is:
"if it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen at all"
So, anything which is discussed (and maybe even decided) externally
(LinkedIn, Skype, f2f, whatever) which would be of importance to this
community should be (also) reported/mirrored on the list.
Also note that the ASF mailing lists are archived (for ever) so even
future community members can review and find back old arguments,
discussions, choices made. Using external 'sources' like LinkedIn
groups or whatever, cuts out both current *and* future community members.
</ASF member hat off>
Ron, please don't take my remarks above as critique on *what* you are
trying to do. I really think it is great you're trying to renew the
community.
My remark only concerns the *how*.
Kind regards, Ate
Show some love!
Ron
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