Hi Rob, I also didn't understand why the bus voltage has a - sign. Perhaps because of the uniformity of the data.
The (LiPo) battery is charged or discharged, so the voltage remains positive. The handy thing about the IC is that you can set various limits. Met vriendelijke groet, Bill On Tuesday, September 2, 2025 at 9:09:47 AM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: > Hi Bill, > So when discharging the current becomes negative because the flow is from > the load (instead of to the load)? What is the bus voltage in that case, > zero Volt? > > If the Ina3221 cannot handle negative voltages why do they mention > negative voltages in the data sheet for the bus voltage? > > Btw. This ic was indeed a nice ic for the project that I did some time ago. > > Met vriendelijke groet, > Rob Jansen > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of > Bill Beek <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, September 1, 2025 8:27:12 PM > > *To:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > Hi Rob and Vasile, > Now I use a opamp to reverse the voltage and measure it with the PIC , the > current of the negative voltage is > measured in the common connection witch is high side of the negative > output of a triple voltage power supply. > BTW this is not the battery circuit. > > On Monday, September 1, 2025 at 8:15:15 PM UTC+2 Bill Beek wrote: > > Hi Rob, i use a circuit for testing batteries (charging and de charging) > without switching the connections. > Something like your project with the 16F1765 but less advanced. > > Kind regards, Bill. > > > On Monday, September 1, 2025 at 7:52:30 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I read the following. > > No, the INA3221 cannot measure voltages on a negative rail where the rail > voltage is below the INA3221's own ground (GND) reference > , because its common-mode voltage (VCM) > <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&cs=0&sca_esv=f67f5be7214373bb&sxsrf=AE3TifMcbS75HDclSP4xbv6SHFFx8P_JHw%3A1756748991899&q=common-mode+voltage+%28VCM%29&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWjNH8j7iPAxV687sIHfKfAjgQxccNegQIAxAC&mstk=AUtExfCOzwYNtic8LAkn2d85fEAdpzJkD5YNUwxLKTcbeEOB1FxjikY7bWtQW8S1vl6ESk0KQjYc3GaMir7M4e3R9Gzja5C2tSYy9lNVMpEThbb9i8FRGRE69iuwYeKLHY9W4WA1YK_DB0IuSN0VRI0zdbDCTwFNUcUUod7eXOVnzFAJ2Fw&csui=3> > range > is limited. To measure current on a negative voltage rail, you would need > to use an alternative device like the INA296A/B > <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&cs=0&sca_esv=f67f5be7214373bb&sxsrf=AE3TifMcbS75HDclSP4xbv6SHFFx8P_JHw%3A1756748991899&q=INA296A%2FB&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWjNH8j7iPAxV687sIHfKfAjgQxccNegQIBRAB&mstk=AUtExfCOzwYNtic8LAkn2d85fEAdpzJkD5YNUwxLKTcbeEOB1FxjikY7bWtQW8S1vl6ESk0KQjYc3GaMir7M4e3R9Gzja5C2tSYy9lNVMpEThbb9i8FRGRE69iuwYeKLHY9W4WA1YK_DB0IuSN0VRI0zdbDCTwFNUcUUod7eXOVnzFAJ2Fw&csui=3>, > or > design a circuit to float the INA3221's ground with the negative rail and > use a digital isolator > <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&cs=0&sca_esv=f67f5be7214373bb&sxsrf=AE3TifMcbS75HDclSP4xbv6SHFFx8P_JHw%3A1756748991899&q=digital+isolator&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWjNH8j7iPAxV687sIHfKfAjgQxccNegQIBRAC&mstk=AUtExfCOzwYNtic8LAkn2d85fEAdpzJkD5YNUwxLKTcbeEOB1FxjikY7bWtQW8S1vl6ESk0KQjYc3GaMir7M4e3R9Gzja5C2tSYy9lNVMpEThbb9i8FRGRE69iuwYeKLHY9W4WA1YK_DB0IuSN0VRI0zdbDCTwFNUcUUod7eXOVnzFAJ2Fw&csui=3> > to > communicate with the microcontroller, as detailed in reference designs from > TI > E2E > <https://e2e.ti.com/support/amplifiers/f/amplifiers-forum/826357/ina3221-use-on-a-negative-voltage-power-supply> > > How do you get negative currents? > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill Beek > <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* maandag 1 september 2025 19:27 > > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > I had no need for negative voltages, because of common mode limitations. I > blow up one INA3221 board when I connect negative and positive voltages. > I look forward for the changed lib > Kind regards, Bill > > On Monday, September 1, 2025 at 6:51:25 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > Ah, I forgot to take negative voltages (and currents) into account. In the > documentation - when the voltage is negative and the sign bit is set - yo > need to take the two's complement not only the sign. > > Will fix it both for sword/sdword and floats. > > BTW. You use word for the voltage in your sample program but if the > current becomes negative, the voltage should also be negative. So why not > use sword for the voltage too? > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill Beek > <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* zondag 31 augustus 2025 20:25 > > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > > Hi Rob, during testing I ran into a problem. > > If the current becomes negative, you lose the sign (bit 15). > > If bit 15 becomes high, the measured value increases by 32760, (the 3 > LSB's don't count). > > That was also the reason that I limited myself to using int "words" in the > library. > > I have Adapted the library and delete some floats to test the phenomenon. > > In the main program I use "swords". > > I send my versions for checking. > Kind regards, Bill. > > On Sunday, August 31, 2025 at 3:32:33 PM UTC+2 Bill Beek wrote: > > Hi Rob, > I have tried to test but nothing happens, no serial output too, I think my > 16F1825 is broken. > Now I will port it to another PIC and try out the lib. > I post my findings later. > > Kind regards, Bill. > > On Saturday, August 30, 2025 at 12:13:32 PM UTC+2 [email protected] > wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I completed the library, tested all functions with a module I purchased. > It should be using floats and not using floats. > > Attached the library and a simple sample program. > > I will add it later to Jallib. > > If you find something strange or you are missing something, let me know. > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > > > Op donderdag 21 augustus 2025 om 21:25:54 UTC+2 schreef [email protected] > : > > Hi Bill, > > Yes, strange that I multiplied it twice. Good that you found it. > > I am still waiting for the module to arrive so that I can test all library > functions. > > I will let you know when I added the library and the sample to Jallib. It > will then be in the next bee-package. > > Kind regards, > > Rob > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill Beek > <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* donderdag 21 augustus 2025 20:37 > > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > Hi Rob, > I tested the combined lib, and i found 1 bug in the integer part. > In case of current > ~ 43 mA the value was not correct, I think overload > of the dword. > In the shunt voltage was 2 times multiplied by 1000 when I correct that > the measurements > are okay. > Kind regards, Bill. > > > On Wednesday, August 20, 2025 at 7:04:24 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > That is good to hear and thanks for testing it. > > I combined it in one library and one sample program. Default is the use of > word/dword. If you want to use the float version then define the following > before including the library (also shown in the sample program): > -) INA3221_USE_FLOAT = TRUE > > Attached the update. > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill Beek > <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* woensdag 20 augustus 2025 11:01 > > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > Hi Rob, > Both versions working fine. > I will wait for the final version with float and integers and test again > > BTW when somebody needs higher resolution for voltage the ADS1115 board > offers > 4 channels 16 bits or 2 channels differential measurements maybe project > for the future. > > Thanks for the good work, Bill > > > On Tuesday, August 19, 2025 at 7:52:24 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: > > Hi David, > > Yes I can make one version and use a define "INA3221_USE_FLOAT". > > The default is then that it uses words and dwords. > > Thanks for the suggestion. > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens > [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* dinsdag 19 augustus 2025 19:44 > > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > Sorry to break in, i followed this subject from far away.... > > My opinion is that botj version should go to the lib. > > Maybe one file with "define" to choose between float or integer? > > Just my 2 cents.... > > Obtenir BlueMail pour mobile <https://bluemail.me/download/> > Le 19 août 2025, à 19:41, Rob CJ <[email protected]> a écrit: > > > Hi Bill, > > Ah, now I understand. What I do not understand is that this is also > incorrect in other - Arduino - Libraries. I applied your corrections. > Thanks for that. > > BTW. I did not yet address negative voltages, will do that when testing > the module to see if that works at all. > > I made a second version without floats. This means: > -) Shunt resistor must be in mOhm > -) Shunt voltage is in uV > -) Current is in uA > -) Bus voltage is in mV > > When compiling these are the differences. > > Version without floats: > Code area: 1485 of 8192 used (words) > Data area: 111 of 1024 used > Software stack available: 80 bytes > Hardware stack depth 4 of 16 > > Version with floats: > Code area: 2427 of 8192 used (words) > Data area: 139 of 1024 used > Software stack available: 80 bytes > Hardware stack depth 4 of 16 > > I attached both version and called the new one 'no_float'. So the question > is which one should be in Jallib? > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill Beek > <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* dinsdag 19 augustus 2025 15:24 > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > > > Hi Rob, > > I tested the bus voltage, shunt_voltage and current functions, > unfortunately it didn't work. > > So I looked at the lib and saw that the 3 lsb's shift were still present. > > The multiplication was also incorrect, the whole word value must be used. > > The 3 lsb's simply don't participate, so the multiply factor for the > bus_voltage is 1 mV and for the shunt_voltage 5 uV, however, the resolution > is then 8 mV and 40 uV respectively. > > Bits 15 to 3 contain the measured values. After the change, those > functions worked properly. > > Btw Vasile the common mode I chose an inverting opamp in case of negative > voltages and the ADC of the PIC. > > The current is measured by INA3221 on the common side. > > Kind regards, Bill. > > > On Tuesday, August 19, 2025 at 6:34:16 AM UTC+2 vsurducan wrote: > > Hi Rob, > Perhaps using float will limit de usability of the library in fast > processes or for small memory microcontroller size. > > Constant multiplication seems much faster assuring the precision you need. > It has the disadvantage of an external computation using cmul executable > and translation to jal code. ( btw, cmul.exe it should be included in the > jal package if it is not already). > > INA3221 seems to be very handy IC for energy measurement applications, > except perhaps the limited common mode voltage, this might be a valuable > library. > > best wishes, > Vasile > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2025, 19:53 Rob CJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I was looking at changing all values from float to word and dword but > because of that you need to define the shunt restors in uOhm, the shunt > value in uV, the current in uA and the bus value in V. This makes it - I > think - less logical for the user. When using floats it is all logical > everything in Ohm, Amper and Volt. > > So for know I kept the floats. > > Attached the full library and a sample program. I did not change the > calulations you mentioned since I do not know what you changed. > > Can you give this version a try? > > Once I have the module I will test all functions and if OK add this > library and a sample program to Jallib. > > Thanks. > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill Beek > <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* maandag 18 augustus 2025 15:42 > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > > Hi Rob, > I look forward to the final version, thank you for your effort. > BTW the current function is not used, the calculation and calibrations > of the real resistance I do in the main program. > By max current and dividing by 0.1 you need a dword in the present > function. > I don't know how to handle the sign bit when there is negative current, I > dont > use it at the moment , others will do maybe. > > kind regards Bill. > > > On Monday, August 18, 2025 at 1:00:08 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I agree with you not to use floats and do the calculation in the main > program. Yesterday I completed the library with all functions. I will first > remove the floats and include your fix and will then send you the update. I > also ordered the module so I can test all functions. > > Met vriendelijke groet, > Rob Jansen > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of > Bill Beek <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, August 17, 2025 8:32:44 PM > *To:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > > > Hi Rob, I have the program working. > > When i looked at the registers it was very clear that I make some mistakes. > > I changed the last version of the lib again because the shifting of the 3 > lsb's turned out to be incorrect and the multiplication in the voltages was > also incorrect. > > The 3 LSBs do not participate, bit 4 is 8 mV, respectively 40 uV. > > So just read the registers in the main program. > > I no longer use a floating point for this, only word format. > > The calculations, and the display format are done in the main program. > > Finally, extending the lib would be nice, especially some configurations > of the functions. > > The time out function is very useful. > > I'll leave it up to you whether you go along with my solution, see the > changed library. > > kind regards, Bill. > > > On Saturday, August 16, 2025 at 1:05:52 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I made a small mistake in the default IIC address 🙁. I fixed that. > > Some other remarks. I saw in a video that the Arduino Library you > mentioned is not correct. I saw in your update that you corrected that. I > saw the same fix in an Arduino Library from Adafruit. I also saw you added > a function to read the register values which is handy. > > I added the changes to the attached library but I also added a timeout > function. When the IIC communication is not working this function will > return TRUE after you called it (after which it will be reset). I changed > the call to the IIC routines so that it keep track of any timeout. I > updated the samle program. > > Next to that I changed the array with shunt resistor values by floats and > set them by defaul to 0.1 Ohm which seems to be the commonly used value and > I saw that was also the case in your update. > > I think I will extend the library further and I am thinking of ordering a > module to test. The library needs functions to change for example the shunt > resistor value, etc. > > So see if you still get non-changing values and check the timeout and if > so, change the IIC address. > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill Beek > <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 16 augustus 2025 12:18 > > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > > Hello Rob, > > I tested the program, but unfortunately, I didn't get good results. > > The current shows 1.6447997E1 with and without current. > > The voltage shows 8.223999E0 with and without voltage. > > So, nothing changes. > > I looked at the datasheet and the library and made some adjustments, also > without success. > > I also tried reading the config, ID, and manufacturer registers, all of > which returned 4040h. > > But I’m not sure if I dit that right. > > Here is my version with a litle typo. > > > On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 8:33:39 PM UTC+2 Bill Beek wrote: > > Thank you Rob, > I will look at it later, this week is very hot in the shack in my attic. > > thanks again, > kind regards Bill. > > > On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 8:16:54 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > Small - but important - fix of the library. > > Use this version. > > Thanks > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Rob CJ < > [email protected]> > *Verzonden:* dinsdag 12 augustus 2025 19:28 > > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > Hi Bill, > > Attached my first attempt of the library for the INA3321. I only > implemented the functions you called. > > I might add more functions later. > > You find the libary and a sample program for a PIC16F1825 so you may need > to swich to a PIC that you normally use. I only compiled it since I could > not test it. > > Can you give it a try. > > Thanks. > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill Beek > <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* zondag 10 augustus 2025 12:08 > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > > > Sorry Rob I can't get the text to be organized properly. > > I'll try again. > > Hi Rob, thank you for your quick response. > > Currently I have 1 INA3221 board left so I can still test. > > I now use the library of Rob Tillaart "INA3221_RT" > > #include "INA3221.h" > > INA3221 INA(0x40); > > And the commands for initialization and default setup. > > INA.begin(); > > ch = 0 to 2 > > U = INA.getBusVoltage(ch); > > I = INA.getCurrent_mA(ch); > > I hope this is enough info, > > Thank you very much for the effort. > > kind regards, Bill. > > > On Sunday, August 10, 2025 at 11:45:44 AM UTC+2 Bill Beek wrote: > > Hi Rob, thank you for your quick response. > Currently I have 1 INA3221 board left so I can still test. > I now use the library of Rob Tillaart "INA3221_RT" > #include "INA3221.h" INA3221 > INA(0x40); > And the commands for initialization and default setup. > INA.begin(); > ch = 0 to 2 > U = INA.getBusVoltage(ch); > I = INA.getCurrent_mA(ch); > I hope this is enough info, > Thank you very much for the effort. kind regards, Bill. > > > On Saturday, August 9, 2025 at 8:05:05 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > What I could do is only implement the functions you are using instead of > porting all functions. That would save time. I do not have such a device > so I cannot test it so if I have something you become the tester 🙂. > > Can you tell me which Arduino functions you use from this library? > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill Beek > <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 9 augustus 2025 19:49 > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board > > Hi Rob, > TNX for your replay, > I looked at it and found it too complicated to implement all the > functions. By the way, I only use the Volt and Amp functions. So far I use > an Arduino Nano and the INA3221 in a triple output power supply . But I > like JAL much more. > > On Saturday, August 9, 2025 at 7:01:01 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > Let's hope that somebody created something for JAL that can be turned into > a JAL library. > > I had a quick look at the Arduino library and it seems to be a number of > small but readable functions and 'only' about 500 lines of source code so > it seems douable to make a JAL library out of it. How far did you get > porting it? > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill Beek > <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* vrijdag 8 augustus 2025 20:21 > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* [jallib] INA3221 board > > Hi all, is there anyone who has made a library for the INA3221 > Three-Channel Shunt Current and Supply Voltage Monitor module (I2C)? I've > been looking at the arduino lib to convert it to a JAL lib, but it's a bit > too complicated for me. 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