On 6/18/20 11:17 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
On 18/06/2020 11.11, Roland Hughes wrote:
Could someone from such a background learn enough C syntax to write a
student C program like this one?
[example program elided]
Maybe. To the point various others are making, just because someone
hasn't learned the fundamentals doesn't mean they're incompetent.
OTOH, not everyone can learn competence. The point is, *you just don't
know*.
The point is we are the sum of our training and experience. Without the
formal training there is an incredibly high probability one will end up
in an AGILE shop instead of a Software Engineering shop. In an AGILE
shop, their "experience" won't be good stuff promoting professional growth.
As to "various others making" I get this via digest unless someone
direct includes me. I will see the "various others making" at some point
over the next few days when I have time to look at the digest. Trying to
add Debian build support to Gede right now. Not a difficult thing, just
needs focus.
Could that same person write a page swapping system for a Linux-like
OS from scratch? No.
Again, *maybe*. Not, perhaps, without learning the fundamentals first,
but as noted, just because they haven't learned *yet* doesn't mean
they can't. But, again, there are plenty of people that can muddle
through basic stuff with "training wheels" languages that *can't*
grasp the fundamentals well enough for such tasks, and that's the
point you (Roland) and I are making.
I guess I should have added "in under a year." There is a time thing on
the front end too, I just don't want to put any thought into what it is
right now. The longer you spend in an AGILE shop where nobody was
professionally trained, the more bad practices and habits you pick up.
There comes a tipping point where you physically can't go back and learn
the fundamentals because they are contrary to what you do each and every
day.
To be fair, I might be in the latter category. I don't recall
*formally* learning much about memory management (although there was
some generic algorithms stuff); nevertheless, my first professional
job was pure C and I managed well enough. I'd like to think I'm
competent, if not amazing.
You are probably way better than I. The point is when you take someone
from a training wheels environment where all memory manage is handled
for them and drop them into C or any other language where formal
training really is required; they don't have memory "leaks" in their
programs they have memory rivers. Most will attempt the Microsoft
solution; "Throw hardware at it!" Suddenly the Television remote control
they are working on needs 24Gig of RAM so it can go a month between reboots.
As an example, I don't consider deleteLater a major source of
headaches (and most of my stuff *does* run on reasonably modern
machines). Almost always if I use deleteLater, it's because I *know*
that I can't just delete it *now*. I'm aware of needing to ensure that
objects are either a) not deleted while in use, or b) are always
referenced through *checked* weak pointers.
But you created an object in C++; exposed it to worthless QML; being
worthless QML handed it off to JavaScript. Now three different garbage
collection systems believe they "own" it. On a gasping for its last
breath undersized processor to extend battery life, everything is fine
because garbage collection never runs. Move your code to a really good
processor and suddenly things crash all over. The object got deleted yet
QML and JavaScript each think they own it. When they try to reference
(or double delete) it fails.
One cannot safely add virtual machines (plural) to a compiled language
if one or more tools used in the compiled language provide some
level/type of garbage collection.
We are all just waiting on KDE to pull the trigger and tell us what
library(ies) will be used in the post-Qt world. The current licensing
and royalty situation make Qt unusable going forward.
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