looking further at my problem, I'm wonderin gif maybe its a size thing: total 125020 -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 177508 Dec 10 20:32 9550. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 28696 Dec 10 20:32 cyrus.index -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 47595796 Dec 10 20:32 cyrus.cache -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 92003 Dec 10 20:31 9549. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 177453 Dec 10 20:31 9548. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95272 Dec 10 20:31 9547. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 181719 Dec 10 20:31 9546. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95363 Dec 10 20:31 9545. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95577 Dec 10 20:31 9544. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 178042 Dec 10 20:31 9543. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95330 Dec 10 20:31 9542. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95057 Dec 10 20:31 9541. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95411 Dec 10 20:31 9540. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95168 Dec 10 20:31 9539. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95333 Dec 10 20:30 9538. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95193 Dec 10 20:30 9537. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95124 Dec 10 20:30 9536. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95192 Dec 10 20:30 9535. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95172 Dec 10 20:30 9534. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95253 Dec 10 20:30 9533. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 91617 Dec 10 20:30 9532. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95229 Dec 10 20:30 9531. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95105 Dec 10 20:30 9530. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 91879 Dec 10 20:30 9529. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95178 Dec 10 20:30 9528. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 88410 Dec 10 20:30 9527. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 88501 Dec 10 20:30 9526. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 88110 Dec 10 20:30 9525. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95430 Dec 10 20:22 9524. -rw------- 1 cyrus cyrus 95574 Dec 10 20:22 9523. these are the ones that are being rejected, and being forwarded to a different system running a much older version of cyrus (1.5.6) ... I've checked for max-message size in sendmail.cf, and there is none set, so I'm wondering if maybe its in cyrus? *raised eyebrow* thanks ... Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: [EMAIL PROTECTED] secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org