> --On Monday, 12 June, 2006 12:20 +0200 Brian E Carpenter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >...
> >>> The real underlying problem of course is the the
> >>> multi-stage standards process is just a relic from another
> >>> time, and makes no sense at all in the current environment.
> >>> Experiments in fine tuning the process are nothing but a
> >>> distraction.
> >>
> >> For the record, I completely agree with the above sentiments
> >> (and have so stated on the newtrk mailing list).
> >
> > I'd like to ask people who *don't* agree with the above
> > sentiments
> > (i.e. who support this experimental process change) to say so,
> > before
> > the Last Call ends in two days. (Obviously, people who *do*
> > agree are welcome
> > to say so too, but a problem with Last Calls is that it's very
> > hard to
> > judge whether silence means consent.)
> FWIW, I still think the approach in the draft is a good idea
> given that...
> (1) We have not been able to get consensus eliminating a
> multistep standard process. For reasons explained elsewhere, I
> personally consider that eliminating that process would be a bad
> idea, but that is another discussion. The present reality is
> that we don't have that consensus and that blocking incremental
> improvements within it is a strange form of "see if we can make
> things worse so as to build momentum for a more basic change".
> I don't believe in that style of doing things.
> (2) We have had repeated claims that the downref issue is a
> major cause of perceived IETF slowness in getting documents out
> and, especially, of getting documents to advanced maturity
> level. I think that validating (or invalidating) those claims
> would be helpful as a goal in itself. If it results in a
> significant number of documents being advanced, that would be a
> good thing. If it results in few or no documents being
> advanced, then we know that particular argument is not a
> significant part of the picture, and that would, itself, be
> useful.
I agree with both of these points. One signs of a good experiment is that you
learn something from it no matter what the outcome. I see nothing but upside
here and fully support running this process experiment.
Ned
_______________________________________________
Ietf mailing list
[email protected]
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
