>Another idea which comes to my mind: let contributors have a third choice for their task. Apart from "Unlock" and "Mark task as done" something which marks the task as done but calls for more-or-less immediate validation because the contributor wants feedback about the quality of his work. Such tiles would be displayed in a different colour and form a priority queue for validation.
This reduces the pressure of a direct interaction but offers newbies a feeling that they will not be left alone. I like this idea but it would need some method of picking them up. There is probably a thousand open projects at the moment too many to scan through for one person. The tile needn't be completely done just a please verify if what I've done so far is complete. On a personal note your validations on 1094 were appreciated, it helped lighten the validation load and provided a quicker turn round on the validation. Often when you look at a project the problem mappers haven't mapped in seven months so there isn't much point in sending them any feedback which is why I just scan three or four projects that way I can validate a tile as soon as its done. Cheerio John On 28 June 2015 at 12:13, Michael Heißmeier <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > john whelan schrieb am 28.06.2015 um 15:00: > > The problem with email addresses are that when Nepal started up we had > several thousand new mappers in the first few days, if even 5% contacted > the email address the person gets swamped and burns out. > > > I agree that any direct interaction outside a mapathon venue sounds > problematic. Even if we had a dedicated irc channel then I imagine several > people asking questions at the same time and a few validators trying to > sort that out and answer simultaneously... > Not to forget that if such an option were offered then such a channel > would have to be supervised at specified hours. Would require a roster for > validators. > > Maperthons, 1093 and 1094 I did quite a bit of validation on these, much > of the initial mapping was done in Maperthons and the quality was uneven. > > While validating for projects 831, 833 and 1094 I contacted those > contributors who made systematic errors, I did so either from the comment > field in the tasking manager or through the OSM message system when I felt > a longer explanation possibly with a few images was required. A fraction of > them responded and those who did were grateful for my comments. As I > expected, the quality of their mapping was directly correlated to their > experience in terms of contributions to OSM in general and HOT in > particular. > > If you put something in the task instructions then people have to read > them and there seems to be a tendency to just map first and read the > instructions afterwards. In African villages highway=pedestrian isn't on > the list of highways for Africa in the wiki. Once you nudge them once or > twice there is far less clean up to do when validating so ideally a tool > that showed any new mapper who has mapped would be very nice but it isn't > going to happen overnight. More validators would be nice but they need to > be tactful, have read the instructions and also have some knowledge and > experience. I recall one of my tiles was bruskly invalidated because I > hadn't mapped something that was not required in the instructions. > > People might not be reading instructions but they will have to read the > contribute tab. Maybe something like a clearly visible message "please read > the instructions before you start - if in doubt ask on the mailing list" > could help here. > > Another idea which comes to my mind: let contributors have a third choice > for their task. Apart from "Unlock" and "Mark task as done" something which > marks the task as done but calls for more-or-less immediate validation > because the contributor wants feedback about the quality of his work. Such > tiles would be displayed in a different colour and form a priority queue > for validation. > > This reduces the pressure of a direct interaction but offers newbies a > feeling that they will not be left alone. > > Regards > > Michael > > > On 28 June 2015 at 07:35, Dale Kunce <[email protected]> wrote: > >> John and Susan I love this idea. The Missing Maps projects are generally >> really good for new mappers. We could set up a couple of tasks outside a >> mapathon just for this purpose. >> >> Would you once a list of people you can contact in the task instructions. >> These folks will also be the ones responsible for being the validates and >> Mentors >> >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015, 9:21 PM Suzan Reed <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> John mentors me, and it's been extremely valuable to have him gently >>> mentioning problems. >>> >>> Having a list of projects for new people where they can get some >>> mentoring as they learn to map would be exellent. Being isolated isn't >>> easy. Being on a team and working with other mappers encourages us to do >>> more mapping, and it's more interesting and dare I say, fun. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Suzan >>> >>> >>> On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:11 PM, john whelan wrote: >>> >>> I normally keep an eye on about three or four projects and validate any >>> tiles that get marked done on those projects usually within a day or so and >>> often within an hour or two. >>> >>> Working like this I find I can gently mention problems to newcomers and >>> strangely enough the projects get finished off. >>> >>> Could some one think of a way to have a list of projects that are >>> validated in this way that newcomers can find easily so they can get a bit >>> of support and don't feel too isolated. It would need commitment from >>> someone to validate a project rather than the project manager adding it to >>> the list. >>> >>> Yes I understand that Maperthons are wonderful and looking over >>> someone's shoulder is useful but there are people who find getting to >>> Maperthons not so convenient and it would be nice to cater to them. >>> >>> Thanks John >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> > > > > -- > > *Michael (osm:michael63) * > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >
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