There will in fact be a huge decline in servers this month. Valve and the rest of the community can finally understand why ads play a substantial role in the community. In my opinion, i think it would have been smarter to contact ad networks and ask them to not support those "bad servers". But like Dr McKay said on Reddit, if it's not ads then it will be another signs/nighteam popping up. Those serves will give new players a bad perspective on the game. Regardless, I think Valve took the wrong approach to this issue. It's the sense of community that has kept the game alive for all of us. This isn't Dota; not something you play for skill but rather fun. Communities keep that spirit alive and you'll see many communities die because of this update. On the other hand, communities like FirePowered have a big enough community to pay the bills with just donations. But not everyone has that big of a community and ads were the only way to pay the bills. Groups like Lotus and Skial shell out at least a thousand bucks each month for server bills. There is no way they will continue just off donations. I think it's wrong to punish everyone for the mistake of some ad networks allowing the abuse of their network. Pinion, MOTDgd, and myself all force the 20 minute re-review rule. The issue isn't the video ads but rather the ads that spam in background and pop up pages in middle of game. This is in fact a pressing topic but I think it's only fair to both communities and ad networks to not carry the burden of those who abuse the ad system. It would have been smarter to speak to the community than to roll out a game changing update. I'm just sharing my opinion, you are entitled to yours.
Regards, Ab On Nov 7, 2013 5:28 AM, "Marco Padovan" <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll be shutting down ~20 servers around europe due to this change, as > there will be no interest for me to spend resources if I can't even put a > nice motd for quickplay users. > I think we will just see the valve paid servers in quickplay ;) > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Erik-jan Riemers <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > In the last half year to a year, all my quickplay servers died to almost > 0 > > players on it. I assume its also because of the fast majority of servers > > being put in to make money. All my NON quickplay servers are pretty full > > and even more then it used to be. Now there might be a shift. I dont > think > > i will loose players if they add more non quickplay servers since thats a > > pool of people that dont use quickplay in the first place. > > > > > > 2013/11/7 Todd Pettit <[email protected]> > > > > > Agreed. but if the vast majority of players connect through quickplay > and > > > it cuts deeply in to server Ad revenue, which seems likely, then admins > > > will be looking elsewhere and those are the logical places to go. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "DontWannaName!" <[email protected]> > > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > > [email protected]> > > > Cc: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > > [email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:02:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD support > > > > > > A server can be listed in the browser and still be in quickplay... > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone 5 > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Todd Pettit <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am just saying there will be more because servers who were relying > > > only on ads to fund their servers or generate revenue will surely move > > into > > > those types of servers. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Aaron Thompson" <[email protected]> > > > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > > [email protected]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:51:21 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD > support > > > > > > > > There would be regardless if what valve does. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Aaron > > > >> On Nov 6, 2013 6:50 PM, "Todd Pettit" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Yes and now there will be hundreds more jailbreak, freak fortress > and > > > >> trade servers for you to compete with. > > > >> > > > >> Good show indeed. > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Aaron Thompson" <[email protected]> > > > >> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > > >> [email protected]> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:40:53 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD > support > > > >> > > > >> I wasn't so sure about this, and honestly doesn't affect me because > I > > > run > > > >> trade servers and jailbreak, but it seems fine. If you join the > > server, > > > you > > > >> don't have to download any HTML junk and don't have to watch any > > > ads...but > > > >> if you like the server, save to favorites and reconnect you see > > whatever > > > >> the HTML page is, depending on whether or not the client has HTML > > > enabled. > > > >> Guys, this is a victory for matchmaking clients who just want to > play > > > and > > > >> not get spammed by the servers they join. I like it. Valve, please > > roll > > > it > > > >> out in a way that doesn't break the game and people like me are cool > > > with > > > >> the change #1. Good show! > > > >> > > > >> Sincerely, > > > >> Aaron > > > >>> On Nov 6, 2013 6:30 PM, "Robert Paulson" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> From what I heard ads needed to be watched for X seconds before > being > > > >> paid. > > > >>> Any communities that were reliant on ads being served to quickplay > > > users > > > >>> would have already shut down by now. > > > >>> > > > >>> This new limitation just seems to serve as an annoyance to > perfectly > > > >>> legitimate server owners rather than to kill off all ad supported > > > >> servers. > > > >>> > > > >>> I hope there will be more people who share my views rather than > > > thinking: > > > >>> oh good Valve is going to shut down more of our competition. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:19 PM, N-Gon <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Oddly enough, a handful of communities have been shut down because > > of > > > >> the > > > >>>> recent changes. This one will affect a few more. > > > >>>> Can't say I'm saddened by this since those communities were cancer > > to > > > >>> TF2. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Robert Paulson < > > [email protected] > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Can you tell us the reason for this change? Is there no other > > > >> solution > > > >>>>> rather than removing functionality from the game? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The complaint before was forced ads. Servers cannot resend the > MOTD > > > >> to > > > >>>>> quickplay players anymore so I don't understand why additional > > > >>>> restrictions > > > >>>>> need to be introduced. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> HTML motds are superior to text motds even only shown at > > connection. > > > >>> They > > > >>>>> look better and they allow you to update the page without > rebooting > > > >> the > > > >>>>> server. Especially when it comes to TF2 players, no one is going > to > > > >> pay > > > >>>>> attention to an unformatted wall of text that could contain > > important > > > >>>> rules > > > >>>>> or links to your website. With these new restrictions both the > > > >> webpage > > > >>>> and > > > >>>>> the text file needs to be maintained. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Fletcher Dunn > > > >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> It's something enforced by the client, and is a function of how > > > >> they > > > >>>>>> connected to that particular server, not any particular server > > > >>>> settings. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> If they connect via the server browser (or command line, etc) > then > > > >>> they > > > >>>>>> will show HTML. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: > > > >>>>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd > > > >> Pettit > > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 2:41 PM > > > >>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD > > > >>> support > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Would those who connected outside of matchmaking be able to use > > > >> html > > > >>> on > > > >>>>>> quickplay enabled servers or does enabling quickplay disable > html > > > >>>>>> completely? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>>>> From: "Valentin G." <[email protected]> > > > >>>>>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > > >>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 6:29:32 PM > > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD > > > >>> support > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I'm not concerned about change 1 but change 2 in that regard ;) > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:26 AM, DontWannaName! < > > > >>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Couldn't you just leave the txt file empty? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5 > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 3:22 PM, "Valentin G." < > [email protected] > > > >>> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> about:blank is no longer valid? > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Fletcher Dunn > > > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> That's correct; #2 is a Source engine change. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: > > > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Kyle > > > >>>>>>>>> Sanderson > > > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 3:09 PM > > > >>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML > MOTD > > > >>>>>>>>> support > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Does the latter impact all Source 2k7 games? > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>>>>>> Kyle. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Fletcher Dunn > > > >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> We're making two changes to TF HTML MOTD support that server > > > >>>>>>>>>> operators should be aware of: > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.) HTML MOTD's will no longer be shown by clients that > > > >>>> connect > > > >>>>>> via > > > >>>>>>>>>> quickplay. Those clients will show the plaintext message > > > >>>> instead. > > > >>>>>>>>>> (The file identified by the convar motdfile_text, which > > > >>> defaults > > > >>>>>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>> motd_text.txt.) > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.) When sending a URL to the "info" panel by name, the > > > >> URL > > > >>>> must > > > >>>>>>> begin > > > >>>>>>>>>> with 'http://' or 'https://'. Note that this change does > > > >> not > > > >>>>>>>>>> affect putting a URL in motd.txt directly, which has always > > > >>>>>>>>>> required a protocol prefix in order for the file contents to > > > >> be > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpreted as a > > > >>>>>>>>> URL. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: > > > >>>> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: > > > >>>> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: 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