Quickly to "wrap this up" since we seem to agree to disagree... and if you'd
like to continue this because there are some interesting things brought up,
feel free to send me a private email.

First of all,

Remember, this is an e-list that focuses explicitly on making historic
> clothing.


I know exactly what this list is for, else I would not have signed up to
recieve the postings. I too, make made-to-measure, custom designed period
clothing. My degree is in theater with focus on costuming. The only thing
holding me back from knowing and doing the same things others on here do is
that I have not yet had the time to master all the skills.

Even though this is a historical costume list-serve, everything mentioned in
our discussion is completely relevent to original post of this thread.

Now, onto the rest of it and only because it should explain why I initially
went off topic as you proclaim. Here is the full context of the quote:

*On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Kathryn Pinner <pinn...@mccc.edu> wrote:
*
>
> *The powers that be at my community college (where I am a theatrical
> costume and set designer) have decided to start a Fashion Design and
> Merchandizing program (the push seems to be from the merchandizing/businesss
> side) and they are expecting me to teach the history of costume, basic
> sewing, and textiles.*
>

The point I made was that they are starting a Fashion Design and
Merchandizing *program*. Yes, Kate mentions that her courses are geared
towards "history of costume, basic sewing, and textiles." Yet, since she is
one of the professors involved in the overall program, she can have input
into what the course are - even is she might not actually teach them.

[On a side note, history of costume would be of little help to a fashion
design major - unless it covers the history of modern fashion or period
fashion is become a mainstream revival without my knowledge.]

Yes, many people want to learn to sew their own clothes that fit them. That
is why all the community colleges around the area I live have continuing
education classes, which are separate from their degree courses. A course
such as the one you describe is better suited towards those courses, where
the more specialized courses would be for those pursing that degree program.

*The instructor actively helped to place students who wanted factory jobs
> into factories in the local garment industry (which used to be much more
> vital than it is today).  But, not everyone wants to sew on the factory
> floor, not to mention most of that work gets outsourced to third-world
> countries these days.
> *
>

True, the industry is not as vital today as it was even ten years ago. But
actually, the current trend is bringing manufacturing back into the US
because that is what the customers want - except there are no workers to do
the work. The manufacturing field in the US is full of open jobs for the
taking, yet most college graduates do not want to do actualy work but
instead become the next overnight sensation.


> *No matter what manufacturers do to sizing, they still will never custom
> fit the human body, unless they make clothes on a custom basis.
> *


Manufacturing clothing will never fit everyone perfectly - that's a fact
that has not nor will change. That is one of many reasons there is the
distinction between made-to-measure garments and those that are RTW
manufactured.


Michael Deibert
OAS AAS LLS
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