Hi Chip: It does indeed.
I think your scripts for word are an excellent way to build professional
level scripting tools for larger projects.
VB.net Express is almost identical to the IDE in the Visual Studio package.
It has the Text Editors, intellisense, a TreeStructure of files and folders
of objects and classes you can build and access via the tree, code hiding,
allot of built-in controls with properties, methods and events all selectable,
support for binding of ui elements, much database support built-in and a ton
more features.
I am currently looking on what it might take to try and make vb.net 2010
Express accessible to my own likeing.
Microsoft, from what I have heard, does not supply a DOM with the new
versions of their Express packages but so far I have found some things via MSAA
and standard window objects in WindowEyes.
In fact, I just went back and listened to a couple of your audio tutorials
and looked at some code on using the Immediate Window Analysis tool to try and
get a handle on how the Forms Designer handles buttons, text boxes and other UI
elements dropped on it.
I was just about to post a question to the list and saw this post so thought
I'd take this opportunity to thank you again for your master works on WE
Scripting.
PS: If I had Word I would surely give your scripts a hard look since I dont
like ReInventing the window but, I do like the features of VB over VBS and I am
familiar with the vb.net IDE which is a rather large learning curve.
Later:
Rick USA
From: Chip Orange
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: Names of Hot Keys
Hi Rick,
I absolutely understand about the *huge* benefits derived from working in an
integrated development environment, instead of just a text editor. It makes
scripting *so* much easier.
That's why, for anyone who doesn't know, I have written an app named "Office
VBA and VBS Editor". If you own a copy of MS Word (not the starter edition),
this app allows you to use the Word VBA integrated development environment to
edit/develop your VBS scripts. It's primary benefit is that it provides you
with intelli-sense functionality; it also has an object viewer, and will check
all your code for correct syntax, and use of any undeclared variables or
mis-spelled properties or methods. It also allows you to declare your
variables/parameters with types, so that it can check for incompatible usage,
and provide the intelli-sense for your variables which are objects.
Rick, I was just wondering as I typed this: does the express version of
visual studio give you a development environment to work in, and if so, is
VBScript one of the visual studio supported languages? (perhaps it could be
setup the way I've setup the Word VBA to define what's needed to support
WindowEyes VBScripts?; just a thought).
Chip
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From: RicksPlace [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 6:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Names of Hot Keys
Hi Chip: I have not gotten that far yet.
I have registered a couple of hot keys and they work but I am not at all
sure they were registered with the Hot Key Manager in that respect.
There is no code in my app to handle modification of keys but that doesnt
mean it cant be done.
I used control-windows-alt-C to print information about the window under
the cursor, it's parent chain with details of each of those objects.
I used control-windows-alt-M for the same but starting from the window
under the Mouse location.
I have the VS project set up so I can have seperat classes defined under a
Folder tree structure, Solution Explorer, if you are familiar with it.
This way I can group functions and subs and other code blocks under folders
like AppCode, Utilities, Forms, Reports, AppData DAL etc...
This is the primary reason I liked working in a VS Environment along with
complete access to all the .net tools built into the VS Platform.
Also, it allows GOTO statements that, if used correctly, eliminate all
those nested IF statements prevalent in VBS Scripts.
It Also has a ton of built in navigation hot keys, code folding,
intellisense and much more.
I know working in VBS is where it is at for the powerful statements built
by GW but working large scripts, perhaps 10,000 lines might be unwieldly in a
common Text Editor without some type of class structure, code folding and
intellisense.
You are likely familiar with how important these features are from working
in Word.
I am not sure how they work there but they are the best tools I have found
so far for any major development projects and now scripting.
Whether I will be able to use the tools available to the VBS scripts I'm
not sure yet, hope so, but I was uncomfortable working in VBS and a simple text
editor.
Scripting anything to do with VWD, SMS, Visual Studio or other MS
Applications look like they are going to be large projects if I can do them at
all.
That's why I want a development environment where I can modularize and
isolate modules, classes and other objects and have them all put together at
compkile time.
I just dont know how, if, this will work out but so far so good.
Besides, this whole process may be moote if we get full support for UIA and
WPF but that's another story...
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: Chip Orange
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: Names of Hot Keys
Hey Rick,
Have a look at my HotWind app (very short); it allows the user to choose
any of control, alt, shift, windows, insert, and application. Window-Eyes
seems to accept any combination of these, although I don't think I've tested
anything with more than 3 modifiers at once. Also, don't forget you can really
have capslock as another modifier, just not distinct from insert (but in might
help in some of the combinations you're planning <grin>).
Since any user can change any hotkey (assuming we're all using the hotkey
manager), I don't worry too much about choosing the perfect hotkey selections
right out of the box; I do count on users setting things up to suit themselves.
The more I think about it, the more I think the hotkey manager is the
most valuable toolkit object we have! (although, the error handler is running a
close second).
Chip
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From: RicksPlace [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Names of Hot Keys
Hi: In the docs I saw it mentioned that the names of the keys to use
with a script ie...
control-shift-x were detailed in the windoweyes dialog.
I am thinking of using
control-windows-alt-whatever to keep my hot keys seperat from all other
hot keys but consistent.
Is the correct window eyes word "windows" in this senario and can I use
a 4 key combination to trigger an action or is that too many keys for a Hot Key?
I couldnt find the WindowEyes Dialog that lists the names of the keys
that are available or if there is a limit on the number of keys in a "hot key"
combination..
Rick USA
