Hi, Werner LEMBERG wrote on Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 08:14:28PM +0100: > Carsten Kunze wrote: >> tmac/an-ext.tmac says:
>>> .\" Copyright (C) 2007-2014 Free Software Foundation, Inc. >>> .\" >>> .\" Written by Eric S. Raymond <e...@thyrsus.com> >>> .\" Werner Lemberg <w...@gnu.org> >>> .\" >>> .\" You may freely use, modify and/or distribute this file. That notice actually says very different things in different jurisdictions. According to international copyright law (Berne Convention) it implies that Eric S. Raymond and Werner Lemberg own the moral rights to the code (including, for example, the right to be known as the authors, so removing the lines "Written by" would be illegal in most countries; and the right to object to derogatory modifications). According to the Berne Convention, these rights are inalieniable, they cannot be transferred. It also means that the two authors have transferred their economic rights regarding the code to the FSF. If i understand correctly, U.S. copyright law is still in violation of the Berne Convention in so far as it barely protects the authors' moral rights. Consequently, U.S. parlance often talks about "transfering Copyright" (as a whole), even though that is outright illegal internationally. This non-compliance of U.S. law is also at the root of the widespread bad practice of not even mentioning authors in Copyright notices but only mentioning the company they worked for. So this is actually a very good Copyright notice because it is clear and unambiguous both in international and in U.S. context. That said, even if you bump into a Copyright notice that is less than ideal, never change it without explicit permission of all the authors. Even if you do it with the best intentions, for example to correct an error or to add missing information, people are likely to suspect malice when detecting the change, and it is very likely to cause confusion and cast doubts on your right to distribute the file legally in the first place. In case you detect an error or omission and the author cannot be reached or doesn't respond, you can add that information *outside* the existing Copyright/License section. For example, if the Copyright line only lists a company and author information is missing but available from other public sources and you want to redistribute the file outside the U.S., it often makes sense to add a notice like this: According to (source of information), the code in this file was written by (name of author). >> For me it is polite to name the authors no matter for whom they >> work. According to the Berne Convention, that is not only polite, but they actually have the right to be known as the authors. >> Ok, if it has no disadvantages I can of course leave the FSF >> line as it is. But for me IMHO the people count, not the companies >> they work for ;) Still, don't change the Copyright line. On the one hand, to avoid confusion; on the other hand, as a matter of respect, because it is the Copyright line that Eric and Werner have chosen for their work. In Germany, it could arguably maybe even be considered illegal to change the line without their consent - nota bene, *their* consent, not consent on the part of the FSF. > Well, the authors don't matter in a copyright notice. The important > bit is the copyright holder, and this is the FSF, regardless of the > license. That seems like a decidedly U.S.-centric viewpoint to me, in clear violation of the Berne Convention, and of the copyright law of most countries worldwide: http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/treaties/text.jsp?file_id=283698#P123_20726 Just to name one drastic example: In Germany, Copyright cannot be transferred at all, so the "Copyright FSF" line is not really compatible with German law (but people are used to expressing the idea that way, so it will be interpreted as an intent to transfer all rights of use rather than to transfer Copyright itself). German law grants even more moral rights (Urheberpersoenlichkeitsrechte) than the Berne Convention, for example: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__12.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__13.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__14.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__25.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__39.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__97.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__107.html You cannot transfer these rights, they are yours until your death and even beyond, so it does matter that it's you who owns them. Yours, Ingo
