On Thursday 30 October 2003 00:22, Jeff Breidenbach wrote:
> I would be much happier if the list administrator is the one who
> initiates the archival process for three reasons. First, forwarding
> (also known as tunneling) a list can cause technical problems with
> Mail-Archive's sorting engine. Second, I don't interact with list
> endusers if at all possible. I usually tell people to talk to their
> list administrator. That's works a lot better when the list admin is
> in the loop. Finally, Mail-Archive is for public lists desiring an
> archive - it's not for archiving lists against the list admin's
> wishes.
I happen to be the list administrator, but this is incidental. I have not
subscribed mail-archive.com to debate directly, but I am using my personal
subscription to debate to forward the list to mail-archive.com using the
following sieve rule:
if header :contains "Mailing-List" "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" {
fileinto "INBOX/lists/fitug-debate";
if not header :contains "X-Spam-Level" "*******" {
redirect "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
}
}
which has worked for several thousand messages just fine until now.
Debate is a public list in german language: Anybody can subscribe by sending
mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and after the usual ezmlm double-opt
in, is able to read and write the list. The list contains a number of
technically inclined people as well as a lot of lawyers, judges, policy
makers and other non-technically inclined people and is often subject to
culture clash in both directions. It is being used sometimes as an
educational tool as well to it being used as a discussion forum. The list
currently has some 300+ subscribers.
If you think that me using personal forwarding is a problem, I will stop that.
I will not use my special admin powers on the list to subscribe
mail-archive.com directly, unless the people on the list decide that I can or
should do so, so I would rather not have you stop me though.
Fitug is running an "official" archive of the list at
http://www.fitug.de/debate/index.html. In the last year or so, Fitug has seen
multiple requests by people who wanted their original messages from the
archive changed or deleted, in order to unsay things they have said in the
past or remove their personal address from the web after they have been
distributing that address in their signatures for several years or other
reasons.
Within Fitug there has been much discussion about an archival policy and how
to deal with such requests for change to the official archive. Also, several
subscribers of debate have started to MHonArc their personal archives (e.g.
http://does-not-exist.org/mail-archives/debate/maillist.html), stirring
additional discussion among a certain circle of subscribers to debate.
I have decided that I personally do not like 1984-like history reediting at
all on this list, and that additional archives are needed, preferably in
another jurisdiction than Germany to make such changes harder to achieve.
Others have had the same idea, and are using their personal subscription to
forward debate for example to gmane.org and other services.
It seems that this backup-archive inflation has caused at least a little
progress in the discussion, as people are starting to understand that they
cannot control all archives of the list. Also, people learn that we (the
"leave them archives alone"-group) do not say "debate is a public place,
please watch your words before you send them" just for fun. Within this
particular discussion, people now start to make a distinction between
"official" archives and "additional archives", and are starting to say that
"Fitug cannot be held responsible for not officially endorsed archives
content". I hope that this opinion on the list will hold...
Kristian
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