Dana, the question is not about whether pay-per-view or interlibrary loan should be available (they are, and should be).
The question is *whether all subscriptions canbe cancelled in favor of a complete reliance of PPV/ILL* + Gold OA fees. I think the answer to is probably a resounding "no," but *the option has never been tested *-- not by U Tasmania and not by CalTech! Stevan On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Roth, Dana L. <[email protected]> wrote: > I fully agree with Arthur Sale. We initiated a 'photocopy request' > service over 40 years ago, and quickly found that researchers primarily > wanted to 'take care' of the request and were, over the years, quite > willing to accommodate a one to two delay in actually receiving the > photocopy. > > > Dana L. Roth > > [email protected] > > Special Projects Librarian > > Caltech 1-32 > > 1200 E. California Blvd. > > Pasadena, CA 91125 > > 626-395-6423 > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of > Arthur Sale <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 2:19 PM > *To:* 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)' > *Subject:* [GOAL] Re: Quo vadere? > > > I don’t have access to the raw data now apart from knowing that we fulfill > 13,000+ requests a year, but the University of Tasmania has operated a free > unlimited-quantity service for 15 years, funded pay-per-view centrally (ie > in replacement for subscriptions). It is very much used, and regarded as a > keystone of library research support. It simply is not true that academics > are devoted to instant access, and they are prepared to wait a day or two > to read the papers they think are relevant. Of course they use alert > services, metadata, etc in making the judgment, but if they think a paper > is worth reading in full (it may not be after they have read it but nobody > cares) they have no hesitation in using the university’s service. The > economics do stack up, and I am proud to have introduced it in about 1998. > > See http://www.utas.edu.au/library/research/document-delivery and > http://www.utas.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/65611/Document-Delivery-Service-online-guide-v10.7.12.pdf. > > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/research/document-delivery> > Document Delivery - Library - University of Tasmania ... > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/research/document-delivery> > www.utas.edu.au > Document Delivery You are here. UTAS Home ; Library ; Researchers ; > Document Delivery; Over 13,000 requests are submitted via our Document > Delivery service per year. > > For context, the University is in the top ten Australian universities for > research, and in student size modest (27,000 students, 18% of whom are from > outside Australia). > > If someone wants to mine the data, contact the University Librarian. > > > > Arthur Sale > > University of Tasmania, Australia > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Stevan Harnad > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 January 2016 02:24 AM > *To:* Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) > *Subject:* [GOAL] Re: Quo vadere? > > > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Christian Gutknecht < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Stevan, > > > > *[ahjs] *… > > > > But I really like the idea to let researchers feel that subscription is an > outdated model. And an easy way to do that without upsetting them too much, > is to cancel subscriptions and get rid of the Big Deals. With the free > money the library then can create two kind of funds: One is the Gold OA > fund (incl. hybrid options but with a cap) and one is the fund for costs > resulting getting access to documents that are not longer available via > subscription (like costs for pay-per-view, document delivery, individual > subscription of a really important journal).. Because librarians constantly > overestimate the importance of their subscriptions and especially the Big > Deals where they buy/rent a lot of stuff that is never used by their > community. I think most libraries would find out that researchers would get > along quite well with this option > > > > Christian, I strongly suggest that you look into the actual costs of such > a proposal (replacing subscriptions by pay-to-view costs, per paper). > > > > We are in the online era, when scholars are accustomed to reaching content > immediately with one click, and browsing it to see whether it's even worth > reading. A scholar may look at dozens of papers a day this way. That's what > they do with their institutional licensed content. You are imagining > (without any data at all) that the cost of doing this via pay-per-view, at > the usual $30 or so per paper, would amount to less cost for an institution > than its current licensing costs. > > > > Please repeat this proposal once you have done the arithmetic and have the > evidence. (It won't be enough to find out the license costs and the > pay-per-view costs. You will also have to monitor the daily usage, per > discipline, of a sufficient representative sample of researchers. > > Until then, subscription cancellation is not an option for institutions > today. (But with universal immediate-deposit > <http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/04/28/inflated-subscriptions-unsustainable-harnad/> > it will be.) > > > > As Thomas mentioned it’s really easy these days to get to the papers by > simply asking the author. Also Researchgate and academia.edu close the > gap where IRs fail to provide access. > > > > The ease and immediacy of online access to which institutional authors are > now accustomed is for *licensed (+ OA) content*. Find the actual user > data for *unlicensed, non-OA* content. And prepare to discover that > copy-requests -- for which you have expressed pessimism when they are > Button-based -- may turn out to be much less immediate or reliable if they > must be mediated by email address search and waiting to see whether the > author responds then when they are requested. With immediate deposit and > the Button, the request is just one click for the user and one for the > author... > > > > *[ahjs] …* > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > >
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