I am not sure that this FOI request was about open access was it David? 
http://bit.ly/1midAyu.

 

However, the way I see it is that as research funders (like Max Planck and 
RCUK), governments and publishers increasingly come to accept the inevitability 
of open access so the way in which it is achieved, and the way in which the 
details (and costs) are negotiated, are likely to become increasingly 
non-transparent (much as Big Deals have always been). And to me the invite-only 
nature of Berlin 12 foreshadows this development.

 

I also anticipate that the OA big deals being put in place, and the various 
journal “flipping” arrangements being proposed, will be more to the benefit of 
publishers than to the research community.

 

As Keith Jeffery puts it, “We all know why the BOAI principles have been 
progressively de-railed. One explanation given to me at an appropriate 
political level was that the tax-take from commercial publishers was greater 
than the cost of research libraries.” http://bit.ly/1OslVFW.

 

The question is: how could the open access have avoided this? What can it do 
right now to mitigate the effects of these developments?

 

Richard Poynder

 

 

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
David Prosser
Sent: 30 December 2015 10:24
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) <[email protected]>
Subject: [GOAL] Re: The open access movement slips into closed mode

 

While we huff and puff about Berlin 12 and ridiculous suggestions that the 
entire open access movement is slipping ‘into closed mode’, Elsevier is having 
confidential meetings with UK Government Ministers of State.  Meetings that are 
apparently not covered by the Freedom of Information Act: 

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/302242/response/745563/attach/3/FOI%20Request%20ref%20FOI2015%2025797%20Meetings%20between%20BIS%20officials%20ministers%20and%20Elsevier%20Thompson%20Reuters.pdf

 

I know which of these cases of ‘secrecy’ I find more concerning.

 

David

 

On 21 Dec 2015, at 10:06, Richard Poynder <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:





The 12th Berlin Conference was held in Germany on December 8th and 9th. ​The 
focus of the conference was on “the transformation of subscription journals to 
Open Access, as outlined in a recent white paper by the Max Planck Digital 
Library”.

 

In other words, the conference discussed ways of achieving a mass “flipping” of 
subscription-based journals to open access models.

 

Strangely, Berlin 12 was "by invitation only". This seems odd because holding 
OA meetings behind closed doors might seem to go against the principles of 
openness and transparency that were outlined in the 2003 Berlin Declaration on 
Open Access to Knowledge in the Sciences and Humanities.

 

Or is it wrong and/or naïve to think that open access implies openness and 
transparency in the decision making and processes involved in making open 
access a reality, as well as of research outputs?

 

Either way, if the strategy of flipping journals becomes the primary means of 
achieving open access can we not expect to see non-transparent and secret 
processes become the norm, with the costs and details of the transition taking 
place outside the purview of the wider OA movement? If that is right, would it 
matter?

 

Some thoughts here: 
http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/open-access-slips-into-closed-mode.html

 

Richard Poynder

 

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