On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Michael J Gruber <g...@grubix.eu> wrote:
> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason venit, vidit, dixit 12.12.2017 23:26:
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12 2017, Randall S. Becker jotted:
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> On December 10, 2017 4:14 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>>> Subject: [PATCH v3] Makefile: replace perl/Makefile.PL with simple make 
>>> rules
>>>
>>>> Replace the perl/Makefile.PL and the fallback perl/Makefile used under 
>>>> NO_PERL_MAKEMAKER=NoThanks with a much simpler implementation heavily 
>>>> inspired by how the i18n infrastructure's build process works[1].
>>>> The reason for having the Makefile.PL in the first place is that it was 
>>>> initially[2] building a perl C binding to interface with libgit, this 
>>>> functionality, that was removed[3] before Git.pm ever made it to the 
>>>> master branch.
>>> <big snip>
>>>
>>> I would like to request that the we be careful that the git builds do not 
>>> introduce arbitrary dependencies to CPAN. Some platforms (I can think of 
>>> one off the top, being NonStop) does not provide for arbitrary additions to 
>>> the supplied perl implementation as of yet. The assumption about being able 
>>> to add CPAN modules may apply on some platforms but is not a general 
>>> capability. I am humbly requesting that caution be used when adding 
>>> dependencies. Being non-$DAYJOB responsible for the git port for NonStop, 
>>> this scares me a bit, but I and my group can help validate the available 
>>> modules used for builds.
>>>
>>> Note: we do not yet have CPAN's SCM so can't and don't use perl for access 
>>> to git anyway - much that I've tried to change that.
>>>
>>> Please keep build dependencies to a minimum.
>>>
>>> Thanks for my and my whole team.
>>
>> I think you should be happy with this patch then, and it doesn't add any
>> more CPAN dependency than before, and sets up a framework (as discussed
>> in [1]) where we can use more CPAN modules while not requiring packagers
>> such as yourself to package CPAN modules.
>>
>> However, it doesn't sound believable to me that even on NonStop you
>> can't install any CPAN modules whatsoever.
>>
>> That would also mean that this patch doesn't work for you, because it
>> means that you either don't have anything resembling a hierarchical
>> filesystem on which git can be installed in the first place (in which
>> case it wouldn't work), or perl doesn't have an @INC to search through
>> perl libs on on NonStop. What does:
>>
>>     perl -V
>>
>> Return for you on that system?
>>
>> If this patch works, and if at the bottom of `perl -V` you see some
>> directories which you could write a package to drop some static *.pm
>> files, then you can grab a *.tar.gz from CPAN such as the one for
>> Error.pm[2] and arrange for the *.pm files contained within its lib/
>> directory to be dropped into one of those @INC directories.
>>
>> It may be that some aspect of the CPAN toolchain is broken for you, or
>> even ExtUtils::MakeMaker, but you typically don't need that to package
>> non-XS perl modules, certainly not any of the ones we've discussed
>> possibly bundling up in git.git on-list recently. As a (very occasional)
>> contributor to perl.git I'd be interested to know if that's what you
>> mean is broken, and if so see if it could be fixed for you.
>>
>> 1. <CACBZZX58KpQ7=v8guffxumqq_ar6cmmoxypx_umutbu19+0...@mail.gmail.com>
>>    -- 
>> https://public-inbox.org/git/CACBZZX58KpQ7=v8guffxumqq_ar6cmmoxypx_umutbu19+0...@mail.gmail.com/
>>
>> 2. https://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/S/SH/SHLOMIF/Error-0.17025.tar.gz
>>
>
> This patch (currently in origin/next) makes a ton of tests from our test
> suite fail for me on pretty standard systems (Fedora 27, CentOS 7.4.1708).
>
> Is there anything I'm supposed to do differently now to make our test
> suite run? If yes then a clear and short hint in the patch description
> would me more than approriate.

This is a bug in my patch, I can reproduce it on CO7. Will figure out
what's going on there...

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