On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, b.n. wrote:
> Hemmann, Volker Armin ha scritto:
> > I have several boot cds. And none of them booted as slow as kubuntu 7.04.
>
> The boot cd is slow as a molasses hell, but the installed system boots
> quite fast -slower than my Gentoo, but not significantly.
>
> > nope,  what made them the 'most popular distribution' was the fact that
> > they were hyped even before they released the first version. There have
> > been other easy-to-use distos before and after ubuntu - and I am sure
> > most of them would overtake ubuntu, if they would be hyped the same way.
>
> I was of the same opinion, *before* trying it and using it for a year at
> work. I've used a bunch of other binary distros: Mandrake, Debian,
> Slackware. Still, Kubuntu beated them all. I was full of negative
> prejudices, just because of the hype, like you, but I had to admit it
> was a fscking good system. With quirky bugs here and there, of course.
>
> Oh, and about the installer: well, Gentoo even hasn't a functional
> graphical installer, AFAIK (the advice everyone hears on mls and forums
> is: DO NOT USE THE GRAPHICAL INSTALLER! -so why ship it, if it's ~?)
> Minor glitches like having to reformat a clean partition do not look
> like "braindead" to me. The Slackware installer, that's just braindead
> imho (even if I have fun using it).

I hate the gentoo graphical installer with all my guts. IMHO it is just 
wrong ... 

>
> > I don't love debian - it is just a distribution -  and I am annoyed by
> > hype. Any kind of hype. I remember very well the hype around Mandrake (I
> > got almost insane, when I tried it. Lots and lots of sugarly cute
> > graphics and colours and no obvious way to turn it off...), I have seen
> > the smaller hype around lindows, I luckily joined gentoo before the hype
> > and I have seen ubuntu beeing hyped and reported as the 'bestest'
> > distribution of all time, before they even released anything.
>
> First *buntu releases were not 'bestest'. From 6.06 onward, it is at
> least in the first 3 places, for me.

no ubuntu release was 'the bestest distro ever' - except when you read all 
that stuff that was and is written with every release...

>
> > from my POV (you are free to see it differently) ubuntu is not
> > userfriendly, it is idiot friendly.
>
> That's GNOME. Use KDE, and it won't be idiot friendly anymore. Kubuntu
> KDE doesn't look that much different from my KDE on Gentoo, apart it's
> configured a little better.

I tried Kubuntu...

but I don't only look after the desktop - and it was the completly package. 
Boot, installer, sudo, that really got me... angry.

>
> By the way: I'd love to know how is kpdf patched. I use kpdf at work
> with Kubuntu and here on Gentoo, and they look pretty identical. I'm
> sure you're right: I just don't know what are the differences.

I am too lazy to use google right now but this should give you are starting 
point (and also explain why kubuntu's and gentoo's kpdf are so similar - in 
b0rkiness)
http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/28/today-in-gentoos-kde-land
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