On Wednesday, 17 April 2024 23:13:40 BST Dale wrote: > Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > Am Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 01:18:39PM -0400 schrieb Rich Freeman: > >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 9:33 AM Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Rich Freeman wrote: > >>>> All AM5 CPUs have GPUs, but in general motherboards with video outputs > >>>> do not require the CPU to have a GPU built in. The ports just don't > >>>> do anything if this is lacking, and you would need a dedicated GPU. [snip ...]
> >> If you don't play games, then definitely get integrated graphics. I'd add to this, you could still play many games, especially older games using a modern APU. The integrated graphics capability is broadly comparable with the entry level discrete GPUs. For driving a couple of monitors and watching videos an APU is more than adequate, saves money on a graphics card and consumes less power. > >> Even if the CPU costs a tiny bit more, it will give you a free empty > >> 16x PCIe slot at whatever speed the CPU supports (v5 in this case - > >> which is as good as you can get right now). > > > > Not to mention a cut in power draw. > > > >>> I might add, simply right clicking on the desktop can take sometimes 20 > >>> or 30 seconds for the menu to pop up. Switching from one desktop to > >>> another can take several seconds, sometimes 8 or 10. This rig is > >>> getting slower. > > > > Wut. I am running plasma 6 on a Surface Go 1 whose Pentium Gold was slow > > even when it came out. It is half as fast as your 8350 and does not have > > such problems. > > Benchmark FX 8350: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=1780 > > Benchmark Pentium Gold: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=3300 > > > > You have NVidia, right? Did you try the other graphics driver (i.e. > > proprietary ←→ foss)? Do those delays disappear if you disable 3D effects > > with Shift+Alt+F12? > > I do have Nvidia and I use the Nvidia drivers. Thought about using the > ones in the kernel but just never did. I don't think it is the video > card tho. I think some of it is all the hard drives I have installed > and that they are busy. I run torrent software all the time. It stays > very busy. I actually set the connection speed to a little lower so > that I have some network speed that isn't being used so that when I do > something, I get some network bandwidth. Plus, there's that growing > software problem that always exists. Software rarely shrinks. > > >> That sounds like RAM but I couldn't say for sure. In any case a > >> modern system will definitely help. +1 In particular it sounds like I/O becomes saturated as swap ramps up. Also, fstrim, updatedb, rkhunter, etc., running in the background can make things worse. > > Well, is the RAM full? My 10 years old PC has 32 Gigs and still runs very > > smooth (with Intel integrated graphics). > > Generally, I use about 20 to 25GBs of RAM. Mostly, Seamonkey, Firefox > and the torrent software. An 8-core/thread CPU can eat up to 16G of RAM with -j8 and proportionately more if a higher job number has been configured. Torrent can eat up *a lot* of memory, depending how its caching has been set up. Endless tabs on browsers will also eat up RAM, and/or place demand on swap. Some addons can make things worse, as can a corrupt content-prefs.sqlite file - see here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-uses-too-much-memory-or-cpu-resources > Either way, the age of my current rig is a big reason I want to build a > new one. It's getting a lot of gray hairs. > > Dale > > :-) :-) IMHO the good ol' FX-8350 with a boost of 4.2 GHz and dual channel memory access is still a very respectable CPU for day to day desktop computing. Sure, it is inefficient energy wise and it can't compete with high multicore/ multithreaded CPUs and DDR4/5 RAM modern architectures, if non-stop 24-7 parallel compiling were a user requirement, but for its age and architecture I would categorise it as a competent package. Most importantly, it comes already assembled and with zero additional cost! ;-) There were/are a lot corporates throwing out workstations and server spec towers, since many employees switched to working from home. It may be worth taking a look at those, if what you are missing at present is a faster/bigger NAS box.
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