On Saturday, 1 February 2020 22:08:37 GMT Jack wrote: > Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. > > As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent from > "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional address. > Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the sourceforge system > to a personal address I specify. When I send a message "From: " that > address, however, I cannot send it through the sourceforge system, as I > don't actually have an email account with them. Currently, I send it > through my gmail account. That works because I added that address in > my gmail Settings under "Accounts and Import" / "Send mail as:".
This message sending mechanism is using an email address "alias". It used to be a simple exercise of setting up as many different aliases you wanted and then being able to send messages with a From: field, as whoever you wanted to show up being the sender of the message in your recipients Inbox. The forwarded message retains in its headers the original SMTP envelope sender and recipient addresses, but if you used Bcc: to direct it to a recipient the message headers could be less revealing of the path used to send the message. depending on the particular mail server implementation. It is easy to guess spammers soon cottoned onto the fact they could send their adverts for products most of us do not need and immediately used this method to spam the world from "Mr. Viagra" and what have you. For this reason email ISPs introduced a number of 'email address verification' hoops you have to jump through, to be allowed to use a different email alias through their SMTP servers. > To > set it up, gmail sends a message to that address, and I click on a link > in the message to prove it does come to me. That's been working find > for a long time, but, ... This is an alias address verification method. You have to show you have control of that domain/email address, rather than being a spammer exploiting this method. Despite all this spammers are still getting through. So, alternative technologies have been invented (SPF, DKIM, DMARC)[1] to make sure the sender is legitimate, identifiable and is only allowed to use their own domains. [1] https://dmarc.org/ > I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists like > this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the > message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox > because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. I think you can use Filters and Labels[2] in Gmail to tag and then move whatever you receive/send into a folder you define. [2] https://support.google.com/mail/answer/118708 > I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough > namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar > setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of > them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. You could try using the terms "email alias address" and "Send As" with them to see if this allows your conversation to progress further. Many ISPs are a marketing shop buying the email service backend from one of the big email suppliers, e.g. Google, AWS, etc. Such marketing shops without commensurate technical capabilities are only a step away from having spammers associated with their service and therefore keep features down to a minimum to avoid being blacklisted due to potential misconfigurations. > So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider that > understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own domain, but > namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record > point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm not interested > in running my own email server. I currently only need two mailboxes, > maybe a small number more in the future, but this is personal, not > commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to a dozen or so > recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is at least some > consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as although I use > IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 to download > everything. I'd also like at least minimal control over spam > filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to filter > locally. If privateemail.com has false positives for everything from > some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to open a ticket with > them to add a whitelist. No such thing as clicking on "Not spam" and > apparently no intent to ever do so. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jack I can't make any recommendations for email ISPs. There are a huge number of them marketing their services, some offering only email services, others include website hosting and data storage for the same price. I also use Google for mailing lists et al. I have been thinking of moving away from this capitalist surveillance service, whereby the email service is free, but your data privacy is sold to the highest bidder, while Google keeps all the margin. Although the concepts of privacy plus Internet are somewhat orthogonal. I'll eventually get around to it, so please post what you come up with in case it suits me too. -- Regards, Mick
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