Brett,
   Thanks for your help. One way or another it finally started
working. I don't know yet whether it will survive a reboot. I'll
probably do that test later this evening or tomorrow but at least I'm
finally getting v4l devices.

   I think it was most likely a combination of not using the existing
tarball (whatever and whereever that is!) and then running the right
drivers. Even after rebooting the dev/v4l devices weren't there, but
then when I started running some programs that try to use them they
suddenly showed up.

   All I hope for now is that they don't suddenly disappear!

   Anyway, thanks for the ideas.

cheers,
Mark

On 5/22/05, Brett I. Holcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Try the tarball no.  It may be using the old devfs tarball.
> 
> On Sun, 22 May 2005, Mark Knecht wrote:
> 
> > On 5/22/05, Brett I. Holcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Okay.  That's not it.  Here's what I have in /etc/conf.d/rc that pertains
> >> to udev/devfs.  I assume you have RC_DEVFSD_STARTUP set to no but what
> >> about the tarball?
> >>
> >> # Set to "yes" if you want to save /dev to a tarball on shutdown
> >> # and restore it on startup.  This is useful if you have a lot of
> >> # custom device nodes that udev do not handle/know about.
> >> # (ONLY used by UDEV enabled systems!)
> >>
> >> RC_DEVICE_TARBALL="no"
> >>
> >> # Set to "yes" if you want devfsd to start upon bootup.  This is
> >> # the default for Gentoo.
> >> # Set to "no" only if you understand the full implications.  A
> >> # number of files may need to be altered (i.e. /etc/inittab,
> >> # /etc/fstab, etc.).
> >> # Also note that it does _NOT_ start for UDEV enabled systems,
> >> # even if RC_DEVFSD_STARTUP="yes" ...
> >>
> >> RC_DEVFSD_STARTUP="no"
> >>
> > Brett,
> >   My /etc/conf.d/rc file looks a bit different but good enough I
> > hope. I do not have a variable called RC_DEVFSD_STARTUP. None the less
> > I've rebuilt the kernel yet again (5th time today?) completely
> > removing devfs and even with these settings I am not getting /dev/v4l
> > devices:
> >
> > # Use this variable to control the /dev management behavior.
> > #  auto   - let the scripts figure out what's best at boot
> > #  devfs  - use devfs (requires sys-fs/devfsd)
> > #  udev   - use udev (requires sys-fs/udev)
> > #  static - let the user manage /dev
> >
> > #RC_DEVICES="auto"
> > RC_DEVICES="udev"
> >
> > # UDEV OPTION:
> > # Set to "yes" if you want to save /dev to a tarball on shutdown
> > # and restore it on startup.  This is useful if you have a lot of
> > # custom device nodes that udev does not handle/know about.
> >
> > RC_DEVICE_TARBALL="yes"
> >
> > udev is starting and the messages at boot time look OK to me.
> >
> > I'm thinking I must somehow be barking up the wrong tree. I do not
> > understand the udev language but it would seem that it cannot be that
> > difficult. Why are there no v4l devices?
> >
> > # v4l devices KERNEL="video[0-9]*",   NAME="v4l/video%n",
> > SYMLINK="video%n", GROUP="video"
> > KERNEL="radio[0-9]*",   NAME="v4l/radio%n", GROUP="video"
> > KERNEL="vbi[0-9]*",     NAME="v4l/vbi%n", SYMLINK="vbi%n", GROUP="video"
> > KERNEL="vtx[0-9]*",     NAME="v4l/vtx%n", GROUP="video"
> >
> > The rules do not seem to be the problem. They are standard in the
> > rules file. Therefore there must be something not happening to cause
> > them to get invoked, or possibly something that did happen taht caused
> > them to be invalid.
> >
> > Problem is I don't have a clude what makes this happen? Why do any of
> > these get involed in the first place? Is there some caracter device I
> > need to create to make them happen the first time? I haven't found
> > evidence of that in the wiki's but maybe I've missed it.
> >
> > Thanks much,
> > Desperately Mark
> >
> >
> 
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