On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 19:59:34 -0500 Ian Stakenvicius <a...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 03/02/17 02:37 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On 02/03/2017 10:30 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > >> > >> ok you lost me. Could you provide an explicit example of what you > >> would want to see enabled in the profile (while everything else is > >> disabled) that you don't get when USE="-*" is set? > > > > USE="hardened pax_kernel ..." > > > > ok, so global flags that are never modified via IUSE defaults. It > still looks to me like all you need to do to get what you want is swap > the order of 'conf' and 'defaults' in USE_ORDER? (man make.conf) > > > > > I don't want to turn off all IUSE defaults. Since we have no policy > > on what IUSE defaults should be used for, half of them are > > important, and the other half are junk. I don't want to disable the > > ones that are critical for the package to function, and I don't > > want to disable the ones that satisfy an (otherwise unsatisfied) > > REQUIRED_USE constraint. > > And herein lies the crux. "Junk" is your definition, but it's not > necessarily the maintainer's definition. "Critical for the package to > function" is entirely dependent on what you expect to use the package > for. If you want to disable everything optional then USE="-*" will do > that, and really all you should be losing is the ability to have > REQUIRED_USE auto-resolve based on the IUSE defaults that are set. > However, even in that case, it seems likely that you may well want to > use a different option to resolve a REQUIRED_USE conflict to ensure > your minimalist install than is the default that the maintainer > provided. > I think the current policy of "maintainer's discretion" is probably the only reasonable way to approach IUSE defaults. Attempting to dictate some policy based on differing definitions of what is acceptable or not is just a path to a lot of pain for very little gain. I don't think that there are a very large proportion of people who want some sort of "minimal" system, sacrificing basic, expected functionality (as say "-readline" on app-shells/bash would do) in the default configuration . Leaving the IUSE defaults up to the maintainer allows said maintainer to select what they consider reasonable defaults.
