On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Gregory Woodbury <redwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is not unlike the kerfufle that occurred when systemD was introduced > not so long ago. To use it folks had to make major changes to their systems > that took several months to iron out the kinks. Additionally, some of the > folks > pusing the change seemed to have a bad attitude about not caring that what > they did had unintended consequences. (Enough so that Linus had some bad > words for them!)
Are you maybe referring to some of the udev changes like persistent network interface names? Systemd was never pushed out as a default and switching over to it isn't a huge ordeal but it is certainly a VERY deliberate one. The exchange between Linus and Kay concerned an issue that only happened when you were actually running systemd. It certainly wouldn't impact any Gentoo user who didn't intentionally switch, or users of just udev. As far as I'm aware the udev changes were very well communicated using news, and users were given options both for adapting to the change or blocking the change from taking place. This is a fairly typical way of handling something like this in Gentoo; we've never really been a distro that automatically takes care of things if you don't read news. Other distros can be a bit more auto-magic because they restrict the user's options. When I set up a Gentoo box I need to pick my preferred network manager and configure it. When I go installing some other distro the interfaces all come up auto-magically, but if I want to tweak something I end up having to hunt endlessly to figure out how that distro does things, and try to make my tweaks in a way such that the package manager won't revert it on the next update. I also suspect that after I'm done all my tweaks the next time the distro does some auto-magic updates (such as after something like the udev change) I'll end up having to re-tweak things as it steps all over me. And that is the benefit and cost of using Gentoo. You get to do things your way, and we know you're going to do it your way, so we try to warn you and equip you when things change and not step all over you. However, it does limit the sorts of things we can automatically update for you, because we have no idea how you've set it all up. We give you the tools when you install your system, and we give you the tools when it is time for renovations... -- Rich
