On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Damien Levac <damien.le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2016-06-02 05:27 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > >> On 06/02/2016 12:57 PM, Damien Levac wrote: >> >>> >>> On 2016-06-02 03:42 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 09:31:11AM -0400, Damien Levac wrote >>>> >>>>> IMHO, you see this in reverse. the 'gui' useflag would be useful for >>>>> users who don't want to care about X/wayland/mir and do not want to >>>>> care >>>>> about gtk/qt, they just want windows to be drawn for the applications >>>>> they install -- without, if possible, pulling useless dependencies. >>>>> >>>> How, exactly, will the app draw windows without linking against one >>>> of >>>> X/wayland/mir/qt4/qt5/gtk2/gtk3/fltk or whatever else comes down the >>>> pike? >>>> >>> It will be linked to one of those, but the users don't want to care so >>> reasonable default would apply. >>> >>> For example, if I have setup my profile to be 'plasma', then having >>> 'gui' in my global use flags would mean "build with qt5 support to >>> provide my gui whenever possible, if not possible, fallback to whatever >>> is available at the discretion of the package maintainer". >>> >>> 2 nice properties I foresee this feature will have: >>> >>> * If you do not like it, don't use it. It shouldn't affect any user >>> unless they explicitly use the flag. >>> * Negating the flag would mean to not build any GUI (i.e. headless >>> server) which is cleaner than: '-qt3support -qt4 -qt5 -gtk -gtk3 -X >>> -waylang...' >>> >>> I do not think the question is whether the flag would be useful: it >>> will. The question is: can it be implemented efficiently... >>> >> To play devil's advocate, can we get a citation on "users don't want to >> care"? Which users? Does Gentoo have a lot of users who don't care, or >> does it attract a more passionate audience that enjoys the control that >> comes with being source-based? I'm inclined to believe the latter, but >> I'm ready to be wrong. >> > Personal experience: I use to care a lot and tweak my system a lot... But > I am not an eager undergraduate anymore, my interests have shift. I still > use Gentoo as I know the system very well and like it. But I am in a point > in my life where I want to focus on my work and not on whether or not I am > making a 'gtk-only' or 'qt-only' system.. > I'm a USE="-*" person, and I think USE="gui" to clean up a few lines in package.use/* would be a nice idea... We do exist :)
