-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 12:01:33 -0500 Ian Stakenvicius <a...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 08/02/16 11:18 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > However, I think we're actually missing the bigger issue here. > > Why is this virtual even in @system to begin with? When I set up > > a chroot or some kinds of containers I don't need udev, or > > sysvinit (or openssh - but let's set that one aside for now). > > > > We don't stick grub or genkernel or even gentoo-sources in our > > stage3s. Why stick (e)udev in there? > > > > It seems like this should just be another step in the handbook - > > pick your desired device manager. > > > > Obviously if we produce a boot CD it will need a device manager > > (and kernel and bootloader and network manager), and I don't care > > which one it is. > > > > This just seems more like the Gentoo way, and it completely > > sidesteps all the controversy over defaults. We're already > > working on fixing the few remaining functions.sh references so > > that openrc can be removed from the system set as well. > > > > I thought the point of this discussion had to do mostly with what > udev variant gets installed when a user doesn't specify one. And > AFAIK, since there are still plenty of packages that *DEPEND on > virtual/udev , the discussion's still worth having isn't it? > > Besides, if we just move the goal of this discussion from "order of > atoms in virtual/udev" to "order of items in this new Handbook > page", we still need to decide what the default is don't we? Yes, we do. Also, it is releng's intention to change to a stage4 for normal new install stages. It will contain the most needed pkgs for new installs, and allow the @system set to be trimmed down more. It is entirely possible, to at that point, then create smaller chroot/container images without undue hardships and complexities for new installs. But please let's not sidetrack this thread more with this tangent. That's a different bikeshed to paint. - -- Brian Dolbec <dolsen> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.1 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJWuNEMXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRBNUQ3Qzc0RTA4MUNDNzBEQjRBNEFBRjVG QkJEMDg3Mjc1ODIwRUQ4AAoJEPu9CHJ1gg7YTVQQAJhStpgaDT2pqMsVuTO3HZx6 XfaZoNtcN01nqOttBwQ4C+17n8Rv2/d52Zu6lc3YSrdPgHRGOVT0LU8CyzZlz8Rw rnFeo5oZAZheqlA/4UzRMOkhXbOvT4FRDL1bF/q5t00h+pADoPDSC3ZIyS8enkvr Evm3DYpDDT40pM5f7cwlAqRarJL604XDgFmU5Qhtmtnxw+TRIicGTwHoWe4fk77u PNm3ZrU+ea7b2XAwKH+oDVM0UDMfFLi37APGd4R2VC0jJmp0msPnNfKRvpURcNo5 3iZMMDuM7vqJergB2yCfiqaGdHmaEPX1PLpQEuhgLWS0b6lCN4JKenYpRdNVLjZG FqOEtSVUs9iNt++XmsZ6goLQAczePOxqR/aAJOMrXuhePiuXMRmm1MBQK2yRRo6q 6MU/lj+1YAzEWMyOZH9GNzQhCl1cBj+futm6mRTWYsNCaKOGi/ocnIHiQpXyKf/U dp/hlvx2rhqMz6eqO60OaJHaKzbCV6EbGb3kv0AsC4VGGFS+DpoUen21aetBh82O aE6c/hKNvsgARQl0mpwFDttSnB24oRr8E9pR5Rvf7iQJwL7h/5gHvs2YQRL9PxFR vSN1R67Sge9JrAzQ/OmEBbl5exO2a1/0HShfdfvU6oA/lDShFHyttJXYxGi0tDym A2Bo/b9FonL7aEmwilCH =PiEj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
