Rich Freeman posted on Sun, 01 Nov 2015 20:56:24 -0500 as excerpted: > On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> I know if I were still on rsync (or webrsync), I'd be raising hell >> about the lack of >> changelogs well before now > > Perhaps rather than raising hell you'd do better to raise money to hire > an infra team to fix the bug or something. > > I get the frustration, but we only have a few people who have the > necessary access to fix the problem. Infra is also a difficult project > to deal with in general because it is fairly closed due to the > implications of having random people messing with it. I don't really > see anybody stepping up to try to change anything fundamental about it > either. This isn't the sort of thing that will get better if the > council votes on something.
robbat2's infra response changes some but not all of where this was going... Not wanting to burden limited infra further is why I, and I believe Patrick, both offered the alternative of simply officially deleting the existing changelogs and officially pointing people at the packages.g.o short log and its link to the package-filtered git log for more. That would at least match official claims with reality once again, plus give people some guidance as to actually where/how to look up that info when they do need it. Given robbat2's response, effectively waiting on some egencache code changes, if that's going to take more than a week, perhaps at least an announcement on www.gentoo.org that we're working on it, and meanwhile, packages.gentoo.org and its links to per-package git logs, can be used, would be useful. If it's likely to be fixed within a week or 10 days anyway, probably not worth the bother for now, but after the fix, a general news item and gentoo.org article pointing out they've been fixed, and pointing out the package.g.o alternative for times when a quick web check is easier than a local tree check, is probably in order. Meanwhile, looks like the thread is having the intended effect. We got a status, and people aware of the holdup and actively pursuing it, now. =:^) Without Patrick's post to bump the problem, who knows how long it would have stayed in exactly that situation, apparently with only about three people knowing what the status and holdup was? So thanks, Patrick... and the people now actively working on fixing the holdup now, as well! =:^) And not to forget infra, either. We can all be cranky at times, but I think we all appreciate the benefit we get from your hard work. =:^) (And despite the thread a couple months or whatever ago, I'm still worried about infra's bus factor; that robbat2 has had to reply while in theory on vacation recharging certainly supports both the bus factor worry and even more the burnout worry.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
