On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 07:17:45PM -0500, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Patrick Lauer <patr...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > On 12/05/2013 05:30 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM, William Hubbs <willi...@gentoo.org> wrote: > >>> On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 06:46:36PM +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote: > >>>> seems like a virtual that wouldn't do anything useful except pull in > >>>> random package(s) a la binary-distribution style > >>> > >>> What about the stages? Don't we need some form of net support in > >>> stage 3? > >>> > >> > >> That's debatable. For a typical install, the user has to install other > >> basic stuff like a boot loader, kernel, etc. So having them also > >> select a network config framework seems logical. > >> > >> Is there a use case for a stage3 in which installing netifrc by hand > >> is impractical? > >> > > Well ... > > > > I remember filing a bug quite a while ago because we didn't have a dhcp > > client included anymore. This made installs quite annoying because > > before it was stage3, kernel, bootloader, go! > > > > And now it was go ... stop ... reboot ... install dhcp client ... > > grremblwrrxrmkrxtlmrrrg .... reboot > > > > That extra step of whining was loud enough to have openrc fixed to be > > able to use busybox udhcp, so that "out of the box" most network worked. > > > > ... and now people are trying to do the same again. > > > > I would STRONGLY recommend having a working network setup included in > > stage3, so that compared to now nothing changes. > > > > > > Yeah, after some further thought, I'm inclined to agree.
I think we would be safe as long as we make sure to document in the handbook that users must choose a network manager. We could recommend netifrc by default for now until we can document how to set up the others. Once all of this hits stable I want to work with releng to get them to use standalone dhcpcd on the LiveCD. What do you think? William
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