I am splitting this to a separate thread, because it could become a long thread pretty easily.
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 07:14:00AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Samuli Suominen <ssuomi...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > I've been considering packaging systemd in sys-fs/udev with USE="systemd" > > and use of 'if' and 'else' plus creating virtual/systemd for proper / > > installation and some other minor, but bad design choices done in the > > systemd packaging > > What is the consensus of the systemd team regarding those choices? > Would it make more sense to just fix the packaging rather than forking > it? I'm not sure what all the issues are, or how widespread the > disagreement is. I am a member of the systemd team, and I know what needs to be done. I have offered patches multiple times the last few months to fix the packaging, only to have them refused, even though I have presented, multiple times, strong recommendations from systemd upstream that I am correct, as well as making it clear that I would take responsibility for breakages the change would cause. Originally, we did install systemd correctly, but that was changed some time back, before I joined the team. All Samuli and I have asked is that the change we made that puts everything in /usr be undone. Besides the udev team, this would have benefits for the gnome team. You may ask why I have offered patches instead of just fixing the ebuild since I am a team member. That is because even team members aren't allowed to touch bugs assigned to syst...@gentoo.org [1], and my personal efforts to advocate for this specific change got me this comment as well [2]. This bug, and others like it, would never have come up if we were installing systemd the way upstream recommends. I'll keep this short for now unless others here want to see the rest of my evidence, but What it boils down to is this. As a member of the systemd team, I have questioned the way we are doing things, multiple times. I feel that we aren't doing things in the best interest of the distro as a whole. However, consensus doesn't matter on that team; the members are expected to do exactly as they are told. William [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472792#C11 [2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/478538#C11
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