On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:34:58 +0100
"Steven J. Long" <sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > Let's say that I were to develop a system with some other Gentoo
> > devs; that doesn't mean we are able to make everything in the tree
> > support that system, making it an usable tool for everything is
> > unrealistic
> 
> This isn't just "any tool" though: it's the core init-system. Your
> reasoning is on shaky ground during this part of your mail, for that
> reason. If we were discussing one app against another, or even one DE
> against another, it would be a different matter.
> 
> The core system has to be a usable basis to build "everything" from.

I do agree with this except for "shaky"; it is a nice goal to pursue...

That still does not make us able to do it or make it a realistic goal.

> Even if one end-user choice precludes another. Somehow I don't like
> the idea of switching from a systemd-stage3 to openrc, whereas the
> inverse seems like a viable option.

That's a path people can consider to work on in the future, I guess.

> > Making such a design choice isn't a fault. There is no need for
> > blame.
> 
> Design choices have consequences in terms of where manpower can go,
> as well as in terms of end-user capability and flexibility,
> especially when one of the "options" has far-reaching implications
> for the rest of the stack, such that it is a question of "my way or
> the high way," which seems counter to the idea of choice i hear so
> much about.

"My way or the high way" is giving good service to just a set of users,
because you can't listen and support everyone with limited resources;
as a result it causes alternatives to be created, effectively giving
choice. This is a natural thing to happen, as everything supporting
everything does not sound possible at all; it is therefore unrealistic.

> It appears to be akin to the argument that freedom means the freedom
> to hurt whoever you want without concern.
>
> So it's perfectly reasonable for them to be questioned and criticised.

Not sure what and whom you mean to refer to by this.

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With kind regards,

Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

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