On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Patrick Lauer <patr...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > Seeing the noise in #gentoo from people getting whacked in the kidney by > the systemd sidegrade ... that's a very optimistic decision.
Yes it is, because our policy has always been to follow upstream as much as possible. So your sarcasm is not fun. > > It'll cause lots of pain for users that suddenly can't start lvm > properly and other nasty landmines hidden in the "upgrade path". By > stabilizing this early you're causing lots of extra work for others. How much time did you spend on trying to make GNOME 3.8 work with openrc? Because I spent so much that I ended up suggesting the GNOME team to require systemd. And systemd is the only thing that at this time, properly works with current and future GNOME releases. And GNOME 3.8 is at this time, only fully working with systemd (fully: if you don't think you need to be able to shutdown your computer and have proper session management... well, I'd remove the "fully" word myself.) Moreover, the lvm problem is caused by a very ancient and ill decision about doing what upstream tells you to avoid: have mdev in the initramfs and udev on the final pivot rooted system. This was just looking for troubles but the smarties at the time decided that they knew better... And now, tadam, the bug is served... People can use genkernel-next, which comes with _proper_ udev support (see --udev). > > I hope you understand that some of us will be very rude and just suggest > to unmerge gnome on all support requests as it now moves outside our > support range ... > > Have a nice day, > > Patrick > > -- Fabio Erculiani
