On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  maintainers don't need to complete the staff quiz.

The staff quiz is focused on our general procedures and how to behave
and interact with other devs. It is a great opportunity for the
recruiter to get to know who he (no "she"s in recruiters, applications
welcome) is talking to. It's at this time that I have the most
interesting discussions with the recruit and learn the most on the
individual (s)he is. We had enough issues in the past with technically
good people who just couldn't behave that I think skipping this phase
is really not a good idea. Because, believe it or not, the recruitment
process in general and the review in particular are not only about
checking yes/no boxes about the recruit's answers to obscure quizzes.
Plus, practically the staff quiz takes very little time. With the old
argument being that if you can't spend that little time on the staff
quiz then chances are you won't be a dev for long, and thus not worth
investing time in.

> On the technical side, about the only thing
>  they really require is a sound knowledge of bash, the do's and don'ts
>  of ebuilds, and knowledge of how to use eclasses.

This is currently what the ebuild quiz is trying to be. I don't
understand what difference you want to make between a full dev and a
package maintainer when both will have to write the same kind of
ebuilds, face the same kind of issues and have to come up with the
same kind of solutions. And in in the end create the same risk of
instability to the tree, only in a more fragmented, thus less
controllable way (due to more clueless people for the same job).

>  As for the privileges, maintainers wouldn't need an email account,
>  commit access to portions not concerning their package(s),

Meaning that they'll be allowed to break only a certain portion of the
tree. That's OK with me, as long as it's not the portion I use. I
believe some people depend on gentoo. I don't see any reason to risk
making their life miserable.

I hope you're not going to take any of the above personally. My
opinion is we have proxy maintenance and overlays like sunrise in
place already. If they're not working properly I suggest we fix them.
There's no point breaking something in the hope you'll fix something
else that doesn't work. Go to the root of the problem instead.

Denis.
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