Duncan wrote:
I like the "gentoo-project" (yes, that's better than politics) idea as
well, and believe it /could/ solve the problem here, given a couple
conditions are met.
One, -project is not to be required reading for devs as -dev is. Devs
(and others) can ignore it if they wish.
Two, people be consistent about telling folks to go to -project when it
goes OT, setting the followup-to/reply-to. Telling folks much of the
current discussion doesn't belong in -dev doesn't help now, because
there's nowhere to send them. Once there is, simple "no further replies
here, this belongs on the gentoo-project list", no name calling, no
further discussion, just that, if enough current regulars do it, should
dramatically decrease the noise level here.
Already since the idea was proposed, I've wished the other list was up
and running, as there are posts I'd have posted there rather than here,
this whole thread could have gone there (except one would hope it
wouldn't be needed then), etc. I really think it can work... because
I've seen it work on other groups and mailing lists before. It just has
to be implemented. Then, if after a month or two it's not working, /
then/ I'd say it's time to consider bringing in the big moderation guns.
But I think it can and will work without those guns, provided we give it
the chance and effort to make it so.
Just a reminder, Bug #181368 is the bug I filed for the -project ML over a month
ago. I just updated it with a suggestion that -project not be required
subscription for new devs, just that new devs need to be informed of both its
existence and purpose (this was left out of my original submission).
Those interested may want to add themselves to the CC list to track any
developments that happen there (assuming the fire doesn't spread).
@Council
As for the rest of this....thread..., mayhaps it would be wise for Council and
Infra to postpone the moderation idea for a few months? (let 2007-2008 council
handle the matter) As this really isn't the kind of thing we should be pulling
during a council/trustee switch out (just look at the size of the thread).
@Infra
In what may be appropriately considered a vain attempt to end this thread, can
we just go ahead and create -project, and give it a few weeks to see what
happens? Worry about -dev and moderation later on.
Cheers,
--Kumba
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