William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 19:51 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:44:03 -0400
>> "William L. Thomson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> To future devs and any new contributing users, they will see -dev as a
>>> ml for developer interaction. They will see -project as a place for
>>> interaction with the community.
>> Wouldn't that be, uh, -user?
> 
> No because that's where people go for help. Or to discuss usage of
> Gentoo.
> 
> -project would be for people or etc looking to contribute to the Gentoo
> project. Development and etc for anyone outside of the Gentoo project :)
> 

But -dev is where the substantial discussion takes place.  -dev would
still be the "inside loop."  And a community based project simply should
not exclude/reduce (even simply in perception) the community's
involvement in that loop.

Correct me if I'm reading you wrong but you seem, in your choice of
words, to be relegating non-devs to being "outside of the Gentoo
project."  And that is exactly the attitude we need to steer clear of,
and exactly the DNA that this proposal would inject.

I love/admire/adore/have great gratitude for our developers.  They are
certainly part of this project.  But, even as a lowly user - I am also.

Or perhaps I've just been reading too much Marx...

W.

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