In defense of my confusion, certainly appears from the perspective of the gentoo-dev ml that you are leading at the very least the day-to-day management of the project.
But if I am wrong, I *sincerely* apologize. Let me see if I have all the facts right. Summary Of PMS: PMS is a project that is not an offical Gentoo project, but is controlled by a Gentoo developer (spb), is hosted on external infrastructure, does not have a Gentoo Foundation copyright. The council may try to impose a deadline on PMS but it is a non-Gentoo project and thus out of its scope of influence in all areas besides areas of mutual coordination. Significant contributions to PMS are coming from Ciaran, someone who has been explicitly banned from Gentoo development, but this is OK as it is not a Gentoo project. The specification is designed to document that functionality that ebuilds can rely on. Paludis, a non-Gentoo project lead by Ciaran, will likely be the first conformant implementation, after which the process will begin to get it adopted as official policy for Gentoo ebuilds, via the Council and QA. As such, it will likely have long-term impact on the way that Gentoo writes ebuilds. I *think* I have all that right? OK, I will accept this. If that's the case, I'm suggesting the following "tweak" to the plans. a) move PMS discussion off this list Rationale: it's not an official Gentoo project. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Interested Gentoo devs can subscribe to a PMS list hosted on non-Gentoo infrastructure. It's also not worth keeping PMS on this list for a number of reasons, and confuses people (me included) as to whether it is an official Gentoo project. b) You (Ciaran) should unsubscribe from this list. Rationale: You (Ciaran) have already been explicitly banned from Gentoo development yet are acting as the project's official spokesman on this list which is clearly a Gentoo development list. I am asking that you have a basic respect for your removal from Gentoo, despite your personal feelings, which to me means that you are not "involved" as a developer on a day-to-day basis and not working directly with other Gentoo developers - except those that might want or need to work with you on non-Gentoo projects (who can then freely interact with you on non-Gentoo lists.) This should not impede your work or that of PMS, as interested parties can just subscribe to those non-Gentoo lists. In fact I expect this will help to accelerate PMS development dramatically.
From the perspective of Gentoo developers, it should also reduce
flames and hard feelings on this list, and allow Gentoo devs to have a Gentoo-esque environment for Gentoo projects that is fully governed by devrel and that Gentoo developers can be comfortable in. Ciaran, everyone: My overarching goal is that *boundaries are respected*, whatever they might be (in this case they were damn confusing to figure out.) They exist for a reason, and whether or not you agree with them they should be respected. I apologize to anyone I might have offended in my effort to figure these out. Really. Sorry. That being said, I think my suggestions make *TOTAL SENSE* for both. I hope that even those people who got irritated with me understand where I was coming from and will seriously consider my suggestions in this email. Let's take some quick and decisive action to get Gentoo and PMS going in the right direction again, please. *That* is what I have been trying to do, with the priority placed on getting Gentoo going in the right direction. -Daniel On 3/4/07, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:46:35 -0700 "Daniel Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/3/07, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why is it a developer-only privilege? You just made that up. > > To co-lead a Gentoo project? I'm not co-leading it. You keep making things up. Stop doing that. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail : ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web : http://ciaranm.org/ Paludis, the secure package manager : http://paludis.pioto.org/
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