Simon Stelling wrote: > Edgar Hucek wrote: > > I know my tools but not necessarly the normal user who wanna use gentoo > > and is ending frustrated. > > If the users are too lazy to read the documentation, why should we care > about them?
Because we risk that Gentoo may receive the "user-UN-friendly" label and become irrelevant in the long run? I know it ain't gonna happen, but still. Both Edgar and you have some valid points. He refers mostly to the out-of-box experience, which includes compiling GNOME and its dependencies at the install time. With USE="accessibility" enabled, which makes perfect sense for people with disabilities. And then the first-ever Gentoo installation breaks on the speech-tools and festival. How would *you* feel in such case? You OTOH bring to the table a fact that developers shouldn't be that much concerned with the stabilization/testing of packages before new release of installation media. But new releases *ARE* targeted specifically at new users and it's them who suffer the most. Next to it is the reputation of Gentoo and its developers. Edgar's call was targeted mostly at releng and QA teams, who should poke developers to decrease number of similar problems. I maintain a bunch of Debian/sparc, Debian/i386, Gentoo/amd64, Gentoo/x86, Solaris/sparc, Ubuntu/i686 boxes and mind you, out-of-box experience at install time means A LOT. More respect to the users => more respect to Gentoo. Regards, Wiktor Wandachowicz PS. I'm already on the CC list of bug #116030 for the same reasons, but I've been mostly quiet because I do know my tools ;) But OTOH I've been already running Gentoo for a while.... -- [email protected] mailing list
