* Noack, Sebastian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:

<snip>

> Hey, come on. We're not Debian! Unnecessary and senseless 
> splitting of packages is against the philosophy of Gentoo.

I don't think "we are not xyz" is a good argumentation in 
technical discussions.

At this point, Debian is actually doing good work. The bad thing is 
that those things don't get neither into the upstrem nor other
distros. That's exactly what my OSS-QM project is for.

<snip>

> > > (kde || qt4 || qt3 || qt || gtk) (arts || alsa) (asf && win32codecs)
> > 
> > IMHO unnecessary complexity which introduces more point of failure
> > and confusion.
> 
> At the first sight this approach seems to add complexity, but actual it
> would remove a lot of complexity on Gentoo systems. For example on my
> own system here I have approx. 40 lines in my /etc/portage/package.use
> which could be reduced to less than 10 lines by using such a syntax like
> above in the /etc/make.conf for global useflag configuration.

You shouldn't mix up quantity with complexity.

If you make handling of badly designed code easier, you take presure
from the actual developers.

<snip>

> > With you suggestion, the package maintainers have to take care of
> > Grandma's special conditions. This shouldn't be their job.
> > 
> > Granma's Box cries for an special Grandma-Distro, Grandma-Gentoo !
> > This should be maintained by an separate team, which is specialized
> > on the needs of those users.
> 
> In the described scenario, it wasn't mentioned that she has a
> grandchild, so where do you know from that she is a grandma? ;) 

So no special Grandma-support is needed at all.

<snip>

> Doesn't matter, btw it was in any case just an example where such 
> a syntax would be useful. Another szenario would be a server with 
> several database-based apps on it, where an expression like 
> "(postgres || mysql)" might be useful.

Aehm, you hopefully know that they don't have very much in common. 
Please give me an example, where this would be should be useful.

RDBMS'es aren't actually things we you could say "choose what you
like, doesn't matter which one". Yeah, would be nice if it was
so, but that's just a nice dream.


cu
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